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White House appeals ruling that Bush-era warrantless wiretap was illegal

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SAN FRANCISCO -- The Obama administration has appealed a federal judge's ruling that found that agents under former President George W. Bush illegally wiretapped a suspected Islamic terrorist organization without a warrant.
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Why, Obama? Why? What angers me even more is this:

President Barack Obama criticized Bush's wiretap program before taking office. But Obama, as a senator, voted for a 2008 law that authorized the surveillance.
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Come on man? My memory isn't that bad!

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Sorry, I left out the link. Doh!

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/02/22/2868908/white-house-appeals-ruling-that.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703775704576160920526482318.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
 
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This is what is known as political Schizophrenia.

People like Obama hear cheering crowds that aren't too.

He's potentially dangerous to us and the rest of the world as well, because he is also delusional.
 
Councilman said:
This is what is known as political Schizophrenia.

People like Obama hear cheering crowds that aren't too.

He's potentially dangerous to us and the rest of the world as well, because he is also delusional.
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Of course, using this definition, virtually every politician is delusional...

Not saying you're wrong :D
 
I'm very disappointed to hear that. Obama seems to be breaking a lot of his campaign promises. I guess once you get in the WH, those juicy illegal wiretaps are just too tempting to ignore. :(
 
Obama was probably against it until he got into office and had access to the classified wiretapping files. Maybe he saw things that we don't know about or understand, and he changed his mind. I'm against wiretapping without a warrant, but I'm just saying. Of course, maybe Obama had no intention of reversing wiretapping - wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
Temporal said:
Obama was probably against it until he got into office and had access to the classified wiretapping files. Maybe he saw things that we don't know about or understand, and he changed his mind. I'm against wiretapping without a warrant, but I'm just saying. Of course, maybe Obama had no intention of reversing wiretapping - wouldn't surprise me at all.
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That appears to be the case. I want to believe that he took office and was presented with some sort of information that made it impossible for him to end wiretapping. Something along the lines of it has prevented a few suitcase nuclear attacks. However, did he need to keep extraordinary rendition as well?

These are basic human rights that are being infringed upon and we have been given no cause. It's unacceptable in from where I sit.
 
whysoserious said:
That appears to be the case. I want to believe that he took office and was presented with some sort of information that made it impossible for him to end wiretapping. Something along the lines of it has prevented a few suitcase nuclear attacks. However, did he need to keep extraordinary rendition as well?

These are basic human rights that are being infringed upon and we have been given no cause. It's unacceptable in from where I sit.
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Nothing found would require he not have appropriate oversight. I guess I really don't buy any defense of it. And I certainly don't buy keeping rendition. However, I do wish congress would step up and help him not only stop this, but close gitmo.
 
DiAnna said:
I'm very disappointed to hear that. Obama seems to be breaking a lot of his campaign promises. I guess once you get in the WH, those juicy illegal wiretaps are just too tempting to ignore. :(
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That's because it's all campaign rhetoric - and usually (look at all sides of the aisle) the person spitting it out only wants to get elected - not necessarily follow through with their empty rhetoric.
 
I hate to contribute to the anti-Obama sentiments that the Right just revel in but, in terms of foreign policy, thus far his administration has been very disappointing. I am struggling to think of a single FP issue where his administration has made a positive contribution. He has reneged on campaign commitments to close Guantanamo, has side-lined and alienated his European allies, has proved to be irrelevant to current events in the ME and appears to be without any clear policy in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I suspect that the Right should be delighted, he has certainly proved himself to be no leftist, in fact his FP could barely be identified as liberal.

I guess that the problem is his complete lack of previous FP experience, but he does have Joe Biden and Hillary C. Perhaps his FP failures should be laid more squarely at their doors. Whatever the case, it's difficult to be as enthusiastic about his prospects next year as we foreign well-wishers were 3 years ago. From an FP point of view, I can't imagine that many of the current Rep candidates (Sarah Yunohu excepted) would be any more ineffectual.
 
More of that Hope and Change y'all bought into, I'm thinkin. :doh

:rofl
 
I didn't get any hopes built up - I didn't expect him to know what to do or have a compass to go by when it comes to international issues - so I'm not the least bit taken aback by his horrendous lack of give-a-**** pills.

I remember stating in 2007 that he was vapid - inexperienced and never had a reason to build any type of foreign-relations skills or views. I remember someone else arguing in his support that his years in Congress had more than prepared him for the job at hand.

He's like a horse with blinders on - running around in circles.

I love being right.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I didn't get any hopes built up - I didn't expect him to know what to do or have a compass to go by when it comes to international issues - so I'm not the least bit taken aback by his horrendous lack of give-a-**** pills.

I remember stating in 2007 that he was vapid - inexperienced and never had a reason to build any type of foreign-relations skills or views. I remember someone else arguing in his support that his years in Congress had more than prepared him for the job at hand.

He's like a horse with blinders on - running around in circles.

I love being right.
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I wouldn't go that far. Disappointing, yes, but a complete cluster. . . .
 
Councilman said:
This is what is known as political Schizophrenia.

People like Obama hear cheering crowds that aren't too.

He's potentially dangerous to us and the rest of the world as well, because he is also delusional.
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He's not delusional, he knows exactly what he's doing and why. He's just a big fat liar is all. Like most politicians.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I didn't get any hopes built up - I didn't expect him to know what to do or have a compass to go by when it comes to international issues - so I'm not the least bit taken aback by his horrendous lack of give-a-**** pills.

I remember stating in 2007 that he was vapid - inexperienced and never had a reason to build any type of foreign-relations skills or views. I remember someone else arguing in his support that his years in Congress had more than prepared him for the job at hand.

He's like a horse with blinders on - running around in circles.

I love being right.
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I am not sure about that. What was Reagan's foreign policy experience? Acting? Relationship building skills and wordly knowledge are learned throughout life, not just in office. It also helps to surround yourself with the right people.

Andalublue said:
I hate to contribute to the anti-Obama sentiments that the Right just revel in but, in terms of foreign policy, thus far his administration has been very disappointing. I am struggling to think of a single FP issue where his administration has made a positive contribution. He has reneged on campaign commitments to close Guantanamo, has side-lined and alienated his European allies, has proved to be irrelevant to current events in the ME and appears to be without any clear policy in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I suspect that the Right should be delighted, he has certainly proved himself to be no leftist, in fact his FP could barely be identified as liberal.

I guess that the problem is his complete lack of previous FP experience, but he does have Joe Biden and Hillary C. Perhaps his FP failures should be laid more squarely at their doors. Whatever the case, it's difficult to be as enthusiastic about his prospects next year as we foreign well-wishers were 3 years ago. From an FP point of view, I can't imagine that many of the current Rep candidates (Sarah Yunohu excepted) would be any more ineffectual.
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I must also disagree. I don't see how we have alienated our European allies and I also disagree your opinion of his policy towards these ME protests. There is no policy to be taken. We have no business to put our military in there and we have no right to. The only thing we can and should do is step aside and watch as democracy wins over despotism. Also, if anything needs to be done, this is a worldly matter, not a U.S. matter, so you should be looking at the UN, not Obama.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I didn't get any hopes built up - I didn't expect him to know what to do or have a compass to go by when it comes to international issues - so I'm not the least bit taken aback by his horrendous lack of give-a-**** pills.

I remember stating in 2007 that he was vapid - inexperienced and never had a reason to build any type of foreign-relations skills or views. I remember someone else arguing in his support that his years in Congress had more than prepared him for the job at hand.

He's like a horse with blinders on - running around in circles.

I love being right.
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Well, let's keep it in perspective. I used the word 'disappointing'. He's not the out-and-out, World-threatening catastrophe that his predecessor. There's nothing good to say about him, but nothing dreadful to say either.
 
whysoserious said:
I am not sure about that. What was Reagan's foreign policy experience? Acting? Relationship building skills and wordly knowledge are learned throughout life, not just in office. It also helps to surround yourself with the right people.
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Oh - I don't get the Reagan-love that goes around. He's no two shakes of a lambs tail, either. :shrug:

The 'the right people' - well - bush had plenty, he was birthed right onto their banquette table. There are few people in politics who I feel actually belong there. Everyone else is a self-centered pleasure-cow.

I must also disagree. I don't see how we have alienated our European allies and I also disagree with his policy towards these ME protests. There is no policy to be taken. We have no business to put our military in there and we have no right to. The only thing we can and should do is step aside and watch as democracy wins over despotism. Also, if anything needs to be done, this is a worldly matter, not a U.S. matter, so you should be looking at the UN, not Obama.
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I agree with this.
 
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