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Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

Actually the President is under no obligation to enforce any law. The advantage of being POTUS. ;) Even if you disagree with this statement he certianly is under no obligation to continue defending a law in court.

I'd like a detailed explanation from you on why you think Presidents are excused from enforcing laws.
 
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That's 8.8 MILLION PEOPLE total. Still unable to read basic statistics I guess. 8.8 million gays = ~2.5% of the population. ~2.5% of the population is closer to 1.5% than 10%.

Your epic fail keeps getting bigger.

and your lies keep getting more and more pathetic. sad that you were online the entire time and it took you 8 hours to come up with this pathetic post. every estimate I have ever seen says the gay population in the US is between 7 and 10%. I just threw out ~10 as a ballpark number. still much closer than your feeble 1.5%

The most widely accepted statistic is that 1 in every 10 individuals is LGB;
1 in 10 = 10% (for the terminally stupid)


famed researcher Alfred Kinsey released a study claiming 10 percent of American males "admitted to having been predominantly homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55,

hmmmm 10% again

"In the last three elections, the Voter News Service exit poll registered the gay vote between 4 percent and 5 percent.

and we all know that not everyone votes. assuming gays turn out to vote at around the same rates as straights...that would make the gay population around 8-10%.
 
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and your lies keep getting more and more pathetic. sad that you were online the entire time and it took you 8 hours to come up with this pathetic post. every estimate I have ever seen says the gay population in the US is between 7 and 10%. I just threw out ~10 as a ballpark number. still much closer than your feeble 1.5%

1 in 10 = 10% (for the terminally stupid)

The number of gay people in the US is highly debatable with a large number of different possible estimates. It is fairly(but not completely) safe to say somewhere between 1 % and 10 %, with the 5ish % area being the most likely. Since no one actually knows for sure, you two are arguing over something silly. Hatuey's original point actually works for any number in the range of possibility. Gays ain't electing nobody.
 
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You obviously do not understand how the department of justice works. It has nothing to do with Eric Holder's views. Obama has come to the realization that the DOMA was based on insupportable views of individual morality and can't withstand Constitutional muster. Something than many of us have been saying for years.

America doesn't always get it right at first, but ultimately generally comes around once educated.

He's doing what he does best.. Voting present.. :) Now the legislature will have to foot the bill, but last time I checked we all pay into those coffers. Obama knows this full well. Only idiots don't understand how this was purely political and was a "in your face evil republicans" move.. :)


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Re: Government drops defense of anti gay marriage law

The number of gay people in the US is highly debatable with a large number of different possible estimates. It is fairly(but not completely) safe to say somewhere between 1 % and 10 %, with the 5ish % area being the most likely. Since no one actually knows for sure, you two are arguing over something silly. Hatuey's original point actually works for any number in the range of possibility. Gays ain't electing nobody.

of course they aren't. but when you add in all the hardcore non-gay gay supporters, the number is much larger and starts to become statistically significant. that is why hatuey's point is invalid. he assumes that only gay couples will care about the issue. which is completely WRONG.
 
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of course they aren't. but when you add in all the hardcore non-gay gay supporters, the number is much larger and starts to become statistically significant. that is why hatuey's point is invalid. he assumes that only gay couples will care about the issue. which is completely WRONG.

But if you do that, then you have to subtract the nongay hardcore anti-gay rights people, which brings that number back down quite a bit. Supporting gay rights issues is not an effective strategy to win any election for democrats, since the people you are making happy are probably going to vote democrat in overwhelming fashion anyways.
 
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But if you do that, then you have to subtract the nongay hardcore anti-gay rights people, which brings that number back down quite a bit. Supporting gay rights issues is not an effective strategy to win any election for democrats, since the people you are making happy are probably going to vote democrat in overwhelming fashion anyways.

just as opposing gay rights issues won't make a difference either, since the people they would make happy aren't going to vote democrat anyway. how many republicans or conservatives would vote for a democrat simply because he/she opposed gay rights? not very many.

my point was, the 1.5% that Hatuey threw out is a ridiculously low number when talking about the number of people who would care about the issue.
 
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just as opposing gay rights issues won't make a difference either, since the people they would make happy aren't going to vote democrat anyway. how many republicans or conservatives would vote for a democrat simply because he/she opposed gay rights? not very many.

my point was, the 1.5% that Hatuey threw out is a ridiculously low number when talking about the number of people who would care about the issue.

But the fact his number is on the low side does not change the fact that his point was 100 % accurate.
 
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But the fact his number is on the low side does not change the fact that his point was 100 % accurate.

how? his point was that only 1.5% of the people would give a ****.
 
Isn't the president sworn in to protect the laws and defend/enforce them? If he doesn't like DOMA he should work towards its repeal, not neglect his duty in the executive branch and chose to not defend laws he doesn't like.
 
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yeah, everyone knows that once you get married, you stop having sex. married for 26 years :2bigcry:

27 myself.
 
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It's time to start the impeachment.
 
Isn't the president sworn in to protect the laws and defend/enforce them? If he doesn't like DOMA he should work towards its repeal, not neglect his duty in the executive branch and chose to not defend laws he doesn't like.

But history shows that this "long-standing practice" is not always followed. Federal law requires the Justice Department to notify Congress when it decides not to defend a statute, and the list, while not lengthy, is significant -- 13 notifications since 2004.

Law.com - Government's 'Duty to Defend' Not a Given
 
Seems pretty contradictory that he claims to be a Christian and at the same time supports gay marriage.
 
Seems pretty contradictory that he claims to be a Christian and at the same time supports gay marriage.

There's nothing anti-Christian about it. I'm a Christian and fine with it. there are others, including Christain Churhes that would willingly preform the ceremony.
 
Isn't the president sworn in to protect the laws and defend/enforce them? If he doesn't like DOMA he should work towards its repeal, not neglect his duty in the executive branch and chose to not defend laws he doesn't like.

It's part of the checks and balances. Legislative branch makes laws, the Executive branch executes them. It's separate. The Executive branch decides how to enforce the laws. If the Legislative branch does not think the Executive branch is doing its job; they can go to the Judicial branch and have the courts force the Executive branch to enforce the laws better.

Besides, isn't DOMA essentially an amendment to the Constitution without actually going through the correct procedures to amend the Constitution?
 
Seems pretty contradictory that he claims to be a Christian and at the same time supports gay marriage.

This is a fairly silly statement. Plenty of Christians support same sex marriage.
 
This is a fairly silly statement. Plenty of Christians support same sex marriage.

and plenty more, though they don't actively support it, don't oppose it either.
 
It's part of the checks and balances. Legislative branch makes laws, the Executive branch executes them. It's separate. The Executive branch decides how to enforce the laws. If the Legislative branch does not think the Executive branch is doing its job; they can go to the Judicial branch and have the courts force the Executive branch to enforce the laws better.

Besides, isn't DOMA essentially an amendment to the Constitution without actually going through the correct procedures to amend the Constitution?

It is not enforcement in this case. DOMA is still being "enforced", it is just not being defended in court by the AG.
 
There's nothing anti-Christian about it. I'm a Christian and fine with it. there are others, including Christain Churhes that would willingly preform the ceremony.

This is a fairly silly statement. Plenty of Christians support same sex marriage.
Well all know that the Bible is against same sex marriage, if we can't agree on this, then it isn't even worthy of having the debate. There are many people who slap the label of "Christian" on them, but we all know someone who claims to be a Christian, and is the farthest thing from it. However, if you truly are a Christian, that means you believe in Jesus Christ, and the Bible. If you truly believe in it, not just what you choose to, then you're agreeing with the Bible's advocancy toward prohibiting same sex marraige. If Obama is a true Christian, then putting God before himself should be no problem, and in this case he is doing quite the opposite, is he not?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
 
Well all know that the Bible is against same sex marriage, if we can't agree on this, then it isn't even worthy of having the debate. There are many people who slap the label of "Christian" on them, but we all know someone who claims to be a Christian, and is the farthest thing from it. However, if you truly are a Christian, that means you believe in Jesus Christ, and the Bible. If you truly believe in it, not just what you choose to, then you're agreeing with the Bible's advocancy toward prohibiting same sex marraige. If Obama is a true Christian, then putting God before himself should be no problem, and in this case he is doing quite the opposite, is he not?

No, you believe the Bible is agaisnt it. It aqctually never comes up, and there is even some doubt the Bible says anything at all about homosexuality. There are Books on this. Though not as good as some of the books, you can get a feel for that religious tolerance.com

you must understand, Christians are as diverse as any other grouping and they all do not agree on many things. And the Bible is really just the begining of the discussion and not the end of it, especially concerning things not fully addressed in the Bible.
 
No, you believe the Bible is agaisnt it. It aqctually never comes up, and there is even some doubt the Bible says anything at all about homosexuality. There are Books on this. Though not as good as some of the books, you can get a feel for that religious tolerance.com

you must understand, Christians are as diverse as any other grouping and they all do not agree on many things. And the Bible is really just the begining of the discussion and not the end of it, especially concerning things not fully addressed in the Bible.
Funny you didn't quote my verse. How can one make an arguement against it, when it clearly states in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not be allowed into the Kingdom of God? If you're a true Christian then how can you not believe/abide by this verse, or are you one of those people who believe bits and pieces of the Bible? Just curious..
 
Well all know that the Bible is against same sex marriage, if we can't agree on this, then it isn't even worthy of having the debate. There are many people who slap the label of "Christian" on them, but we all know someone who claims to be a Christian, and is the farthest thing from it. However, if you truly are a Christian, that means you believe in Jesus Christ, and the Bible. If you truly believe in it, not just what you choose to, then you're agreeing with the Bible's advocancy toward prohibiting same sex marraige. If Obama is a true Christian, then putting God before himself should be no problem, and in this case he is doing quite the opposite, is he not?

Man, if that's your definition of "true Christian", then I don't want any "true Christian" in political office. Gods do not come before the laws of man. Give unto Caesar. And what about female prostitutes? Do they get to inherit the kingdom of god?
 
Funny you didn't quote my verse. How can one make an arguement against it, when it clearly states in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not be allowed into the Kingdom of God? If you're a true Christian then how can you not believe/abide by this verse, or are you one of those people who believe bits and pieces of the Bible? Just curious..

I've seen the versus before and know the rebuttals to them. It would be better if you read up on it.

Unfortunately, the Greek original from which many English language Bibles have been translated, is ambiguous about two of the groups who are condemned.

(snip)

Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate:
If Paul wanted to refer to homosexual behavior, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males.

HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS

Again, there are better books on the subject, but what is important here is that you understand there is disagreement.
 
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