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Obama Administration Drops Defense of Anti-Gay Marriage Law

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StillBallin75 said:
except for the fact that marriage and sex are two separate issues...
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not to obama's doj

The Administration argued that the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution does not bar states from denying out-of-state gay marriages, and they cited prior cases of out-of-state marriages that were between (a) an uncle and niece, (b) a 16-year-old and adult and (c) first cousins. Comparing same-sex marriage with incest and pedophilia is what one would expect from a Republican Administration, and for a court to agree with such reasoning is unhelpful.
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(from huffpo link above)

do you know tony west and his wife ms harris?
 
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Hatuey said:
Why would I have to be gay to support gay marriage?
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Gotcha. So, your original post that this decision would only appeal to "1.5% of the pop" was fairly silly, no?


Why would he have to appeal to his base? Obama's done more for gay rights than most Republican presidents in the last 30 years.
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Dunno. Ask his base which has been very vocal in their criticsm of what hes done or not done.
 
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disneydude said:
America doesn't always get it right at first, but ultimately generally comes around once educated.
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fine by ME

but to compare in california circuit gay marriage to incest and pedophilia...

well, that's just gross
 
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Hatuey said:
Why would I have to be gay to support gay marriage?
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so on what did you base your 1.5%? since the 2000 census estimated that ~ 10% of the US population was gay. what happened? did 8.5% of the gays turn straight or die? or, as usual, are you just talking out your ass without a clue as to what you are saying?
 
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Hatuey said:
Your monicer is 'buck'. Where I live a buck is somebody who is fairly stupid. Do you also support Creationism? That's fairly stupid too.
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BTW, i'm not really sure what a monicer is. Must be that superior intellect of yours... But yes, I am fairly stupid, and am also a fan of "BuckSatan and the 666 shooters", well... Ministry really.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Can you cite one law he did this too? I don't recall.
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He exempted himself with all sorts of laws. He used signing statements too to say that the executive branch could not be held to the law he was signing. They didn't prosecute when prosecution was necessary. I mean, there's a point to criticizing Obama for his misdeeds. It's another to ignore the misdeeds of others based solely on the fact that the D changed to a R.
 
MrVicchio said:
Because it's the law... or does that part elude you? What if a Governor said "We're no longer going to enforce speed limits".
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The Executive can do that, since they execute. If the law is not executed the way the Legislature wanted, they can go to the Courts to get the Court to force the Executive to enforce the law as written.
 
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Chappy said:
Or, it's Obama recognizing that doing the right thing would carry no political cost.
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Don’t know. Are you suggesting that Obama and his people are so dumb that they didn’t realize that people that might not like this decision would be far less likely to vote for him anyway? And Barney Frank, of all people, was the one that had to give him a clue? I guess it’s possible, but I find it unlikely.
 
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OscarB63 said:
so on what did you base your 1.5%? since the 2000 census estimated that ~ 10% of the US population was gay. what happened? did 8.5% of the gays turn straight or die? or, as usual, are you just talking out your ass without a clue as to what you are saying?
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Not only are you lying, your claim is demonstratively false:

2000 United States Census - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The census forms did not include any questions regarding sexual orientation, making it impossible to compile data comparing heterosexual and homosexual populations. However, two questions were asked that allowed same-sex partnerships to be counted.
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Extrapolating from those figures and the surveyed partnering habits of homosexuals, as many as 4.3 million homosexual adults could have been living in the U.S. in 2000.
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As far as the real gay population goes:

What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?

The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that homosexual couples constitute less than 1% of American households. The Family Research Report says "around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual." The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates three to eight percent of both sexes. So who's right -- what percentage of the population is homosexual?
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How Many Gay People Are There? - Gay Population Statistics

The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey, an extension of the U.S. Census (Gary J. Gates, 2006, "Same-Sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey").
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What percentage of the U.S. population is gay?

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has estimated America's gay, lesbian, and bisexual population at around 8.8 million people. That translates to somewhere between 2.5 and 3 percent.
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A site called GayDemographics.org offers up a different set of statistics, placing an emphasis on the number of same-sex couples in the United States. According to their findings, there were a total of 61,064,407 couples in 2004. Approximately 707,196 (or 1.16 percent) were same-sex couples.
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Must be all those stat classes you took.
 
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Hatuey said:
Not only are you lying, your claim is demonstratively false:
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notice all your links reference "couples". I guess all the other gays who are not in a committed relationship don't matter. or is it your contention that they don't care about gay marriage?
 
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OscarB63 said:
notice all your links reference "couples". I guess all the other gays who are not in a committed relationship don't matter. or is it your contention that they don't care about gay marriage?
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Dude... you JUST GOT CAUGHT MAKING **** UP. The 2000 census didn't have ANY QUESTIONS that would make 10% of the population gay. And now you look even more foolish by ignoring what the links actually say. The other links show that there is simply no possible way that a person can claim there are 30 million gays and lesbians in the US whether they are married or not, it references 8.8 as being the estimate for gays and lesbians. Not couples. Care to make anything else up?
 
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The Prof said:
gay marriage is like incest and sex with pubescents...

gross
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You are entitled to your opinion no matter how inaccurate it is.
 
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Hatuey said:
Dude... you JUST GOT CAUGHT MAKING **** UP. The 2000 census didn't have ANY QUESTIONS that would make 10% of the population gay. And now you look even more foolish by ignoring what the links actually say. The other links show that there is simply no possible way that a person can claim there are 30 million gays and lesbians in the US whether they are married or not, it references 8.8 as being the estimate for gays and lesbians. Not couples. Care to make anything else up?
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8.8 is ~10, much closer than the 1.5 you claimed.

so, instead of whining and trying to save face, how about you answer the questions.

do the gays who are not in committed relationships count? do they not give a **** about gay marriage? or are you going to stick with your 1.5%?



oh, and in case you really just can't understand it...I never specified couples (and neither did you when you threw out your 1.5%)
 
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disneydude said:
More good news for freedom loving Americans who oppose big government.


Gov't drops defense of anti-gay marriage law - Yahoo! News

In a major policy reversal, the Obama administration said Wednesday it will no longer defend the constitutionality of a federal law banning recognition of same-sex marriage.

Attorney General Eric Holder said President Barack Obama has concluded that the administration cannot defend the federal law that defines marriage as only between a man and a woman. He noted that the congressional debate during passage of the Defense of Marriage Act "contains numerous expressions reflecting moral disapproval of gays and lesbians and their intimate and family relationships — precisely the kind of stereotype-based thinking and animus" the Constitution is designed to guard against.


The tides of change of beginning to turn. This is a great sign and great progress for the United States movement toward freedom and justice for all.
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Search function saves you from duping threads.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-a...tion-drops-defense-anti-gay-marriage-law.html
 
**** this law and anyone who supports such draconian, limitations on the freedoms of peoples based on who they are.

Well done Obama.
 
Jetboogieman said:
**** this law and anyone who supports such draconian, limitations on the freedoms of peoples based on who they are.

Well done Obama.
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Ahh good then I expect to see you supporting the Polygamy movement.
 
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This administration finally catches up with the Conservatives who have, and still are, taking action for same-sex marriage.

It catches up with Vaughn R. Walker (judge who struck down Prop 8), Theodore Olson (lawyer who argued to strike down Prop 8), and Arnold Schwarzenegger (California Governor who took no action against the ruling).

There are several non-Conservatives who verbally support same-sex marriage, but take no action for it. Its good to see the Obama administration finally doing something.
 
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OscarB63 said:
8.8 is ~10, much closer than the 1.5 you claimed.
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That's 8.8 MILLION PEOPLE total. Still unable to read basic statistics I guess. 8.8 million gays = ~2.5% of the population. ~2.5% of the population is closer to 1.5% than 10%.

Your epic fail keeps getting bigger.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
You are entitled to your opinion no matter how inaccurate it is.
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LOL!

how extremely gracious of you

however, i'm not the person likening gay marriage to incest and sex with teens

no, that would be ERIC HOLDER's doj

gross
 
Re: Government drops defense of anti gay marriage law

Why does Obama need to defend a law he doesn't like?
 
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