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Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

Gill said:
I'll ask you again since you ignored it the first time, would you prefer the 95 year old man bring all the id necessary to get a photo id every time he votes ???

Or would it be simpler to get a free photo id one time and be done with it ??
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Much easier to bring what he has. Two pieces of paper is all he needs to bring. Getting some oldtimers out and about and to the polls is no easy task. Do you really want to make it even more difficult?
 
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USA_1 said:
Much easier to bring what he has. Two pieces of paper is all he needs to bring. Getting some oldtimers out and about and to the polls is no easy task. Do you really want to make it even more difficult?
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Takes more than two pieces of paper to get a drivers license. I want to make sure only legally entitled voters actually vote.

You're making a moutain out of a mole hill. 99% of the people you are talking about don't vote anyway and probably shouldn't. If they are too stupid to get a photo id, then they are too stupid to vote.
 
Gill said:
Takes more than two pieces of paper to get a drivers license. I want to make sure only legally entitled voters actually vote.

You're making a moutain out of a mole hill. 99% of the people you are talking about don't vote anyway and probably shouldn't. If they are too stupid to get a photo id, then they are too stupid to vote.
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In WI you need birth certificate and proof of residency(a bill or something with your name and address on it to get an ID/drivers license. Cost 28 bucks for an ID.

People in nursing homes are not too stupid to vote. They just can't get around as easy as you.

Since photo IDs are issued to people using other forms of identification to identify themselves then those other forms of identification should be sufficient to vote. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's obvious that you don't want people to vote.
 
USA_1 said:
Oh, so to make it easier for some government worker at the expense of the voter? Most elderly people don't fake their birth certificates so they can vote twice:roll:. This law is stupid and will keep people from voting. Is that the intent?
This is just more big government BS.
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Since most people that have that law give out photo ID's for free the ederly are not affected. We have a program here that even has someone from the DMV (where we can get generic ID's) go to an elderly persons home and does all the paper work at the elderly's home. So, you really are stretching here.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Since most people that have that law give out photo ID's for free the ederly are not affected. We have a program here that even has someone from the DMV (where we can get generic ID's) go to an elderly persons home and does all the paper work at the elderly's home. So, you really are stretching here.
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So why can't they vote using the same identity documents they use to get the photo ID? You people are just adding an unneccesary step because they told you it was a good thing.

Photo IDs are created from non photo identity documents.


If you have someone go to every elderly/poor person and give them a photo ID free of charge, I'll support the law but it's still a waste of time and it's unnecessary. It's all just politics. They don't care if the votes are legit, they just care that their candidate wins.
 
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USA_1 said:
So why can't they vote using the same identity documents they use to get the photo ID? You people are just adding an unneccesary step because they told you it was a good thing.

Photo IDs are created from non photo identity documents.


If you have someone go to every elderly/poor person and give them a photo ID free of charge, I'll support the law but it's still a waste of time and it's unnecessary. It's all just politics. They don't care if the votes are legit, they just care that their candidate wins.
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Why can't they get a FREE photo ID card ???
 
People in nursing homes are not too stupid to vote. They just can't get around as easy as you.
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Don't say that...There are plenty of people too stupid to vote even in nursing homes but they still do. My grandmother who is 75 votes strictly democrat. However-She agrees with almost everything Republicans stand for and when she learns its a rep. who said it or wants it passed she says "well they must have stolen the idea from democrats." She only votes the way her parents did and still doesnt understand its not the same politics anymore. So yes, some people are too stupid to vote.
 
Gill said:
Why can't they get a FREE photo ID card ???
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28 bucks in Wisconsin.
So they bring their birth certificate, SS card and another document to the DMV to get a photo ID. Why is that documentation good enough to get a photo ID, but not good enough to let them vote? Makes no sense.

I suppose they could have a camera at the polling place to create a photo ID for them so they could go into the voting booth.
 
Gapeach said:
Don't say that...There are plenty of people too stupid to vote even in nursing homes but they still do. My grandmother who is 75 votes strictly democrat. However-She agrees with almost everything Republicans stand for and when she learns its a rep. who said it or wants it passed she says "well they must have stolen the idea from democrats." She only votes the way her parents did and still doesnt understand its not the same politics anymore. So yes, some people are too stupid to vote.
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i agree, there are plenty of people too stupid to vote.
 
USA_1 said:
28 bucks in Wisconsin.
So they bring their birth certificate, SS card and another document to the DMV to get a photo ID. Why is that documentation good enough to get a photo ID, but not good enough to let them vote? Makes no sense.

I suppose they could have a camera at the polling place to create a photo ID for them so they could go into the voting booth.
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Straw man... every state that has passed photo id voting requirements supplies free photo ids to low income people.
 
Gill said:
Straw man... every state that has passed photo id voting requirements supplies free photo ids to low income people.
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Doesn't really matter. The identity documents that are needed to create a photo ID should be good enough to allow someone to vote. After all the photo ID was issued because of those documents.


Free? Someone pays for them. Guess who?

It's still 28 bucks in Wisconsin.
 
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USA_1 said:
Doesn't really matter. The identity documents that are needed to create a photo ID should be good enough to allow someone to vote. After all the photo ID was issued because of those documents.
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Yes, because Birth certs., and SS cards are never forged or stolen by anyone.....

Free? Someone pays for them. Guess who?
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Would that be the same people now paying for the bloated pensions, and cadilac health care for Pubulic sector union members now? I'll bet you that the 28 bucks is less than either one of those.

It's still 28 bucks in Wisconsin.
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How else you gonna pay for the DMV workers $50K per year pension?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Yes, because Birth certs., and SS cards are never forged or stolen by anyone.....
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............those same stolen birth certificates and SS cards used to get photo IDs? Why can they be used to obtain a photo ID, but not to vote?
 
I find it loathsome to see there is not some structural mechanism to expel each and every POS who has abandoned their jobs, and replace them with reps appointed by the governor. Or, for the state elections board to immediately institute elections in the districts of the scumbags who ran like sissies and cowards.

They will get their's in the end. The voters will remember.

We have become a nation of tyrants who ignore the law when it suits a purpose.
 
USA_1 said:
Having restrictions to vote is unconstitutional.
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Non-Americans voting is unconstitutional. Proving you are who you say you are is not unconstitutional.
 
restrictions in the past have been used to hinder valid voters from voting. This is why some react rather strongly against the notion. And I do believe some would like to make things hard for eligibale voters who they think might change the math. What we need are reasonable requirements, with reasonable exceptions, much like we already have.
 
Boo Radley said:
restrictions in the past have been used to hinder valid voters from voting. This is why some react rather strongly against the notion. And I do believe some would like to make things hard for eligibale voters who they think might change the math. What we need are reasonable requirements, with reasonable exceptions, much like we already have.
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Getting a driver's license or photo ID card is hardly unreasonable, would you agree? Sure, you don't want voting competency tests or educational requirements for voting; that would be unconstitutional( and a slippery slope to go down).

But proving who you are with a valid ID is hardly unreasonable.
 
Erod said:
Getting a driver's license or photo ID card is hardly unreasonable, would you agree? Sure, you don't want voting competency tests or educational requirements for voting; that would be unconstitutional( and a slippery slope to go down).

But proving who you are with a valid ID is hardly unreasonable.
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Why can't the same identification that is used to get a photo ID be used to vote? That is reasonable.
 
Erod said:
Getting a driver's license or photo ID card is hardly unreasonable, would you agree? Sure, you don't want voting competency tests or educational requirements for voting; that would be unconstitutional( and a slippery slope to go down).

But proving who you are with a valid ID is hardly unreasonable.
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Unreasonable? Depends on the situation. All I really need to know is this person is eliegable. I honestly don't think we have a large problem with this here.
 
USA_1 said:
Why can't the same identification that is used to get a photo ID be used to vote? That is reasonable.
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Because then illegal Juan Morales could walk in with citizen Pedro Cruz' papers and vote.
 
Boo Radley said:
I honestly don't think we have a large problem with this here.
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why do you presume anyone cares what you think

even your LINKS---opinion pieces from a university student and the professional leftist founder of journolist---are worthless
 
Boo Radley said:
Unreasonable? Depends on the situation. All I really need to know is this person is eliegable. I honestly don't think we have a large problem with this here.
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Actually, there have been several instances of voter fraud in Iowa. When I lived there, a Kerry campaign worker from Washington state tried to vote. I heard recently that a German resident going to college in Iowa was caught trying to vote.

Don't pretend it doesn't happen.
 
Erod said:
Because then illegal Juan Morales could walk in with citizen Pedro Cruz' papers and vote.
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You guys just don't get it. Why aren't the same papers that prove your identity to get a photo ID not good enough to allow you to vote?
Illegals don't have photo IDs?:roll:
 
USA_1 said:
You guys just don't get it. Why aren't the same papers that prove your identity to get a photo ID not good enough to allow you to vote?
Illegals don't have photo IDs?:roll:
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If those papers will get you the photo ID, then just get the @#$%^ photo ID!!!

Hey, if taking those paper down to get your voter registration is what you want, I'll play along. But we both know that ain't what this is about.

This is about letting anybody walk up and vote, because your party desperately needs these illegal Mexicans to win local and national elections.

Just be honest about your intentions.
 
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