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BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

Isn't 12 miles the recognized limit?

I previously showed a graph which showed a few years, a majority of the hijackings were occurring

Edit: Found it.

See how many hijackings are stupidly close to Somalia
800px-Somalian_Piracy_Threat_Map_2010.png


Some of them are practically next to the coast!
 
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It's hate speech, but it's against Christians so nothing will come of it. Disgusting.

Oh pal ease!

If you wanna go yachting off the ****ing coast of Somalia as 4 white American Christians and you didn't see this coming, I have no idea what planet they were on...

Here's a good way not to die off the coast of Somalia that we all know has been dangerous for YEARS!

DONT GO THERE!

What was it you said when the christian missionaries died in afganistan Mr V?

FOXNews.com - Afghan mission ends in death for 6 US, 2 Europeans, 2 Afghans; Taliban claim responsibility

Stupid arrogant fools. The Taliban doesn't care what "good" you are doing, you are cattle to be slaughtered. RIP, may God comfort your families.

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Several quick thoughts:

1) Somalia is a country without a functional government. That a chaotic environment in which piracy, among other issues, exist is consistent with situations where power vacuums amplified by various ethnic and/or tribal rivalries and major social challenges are present.

2) Nations need to determine what interests are at stake and the costs/benefits of safeguarding those interests.

3) Various options exist for dealing with the problem. Some options would include:

- ships reroute their courses away from the area's waters (level of inconvenience/cost/time)
- ships coordinate to pass when naval escorts are available (a much more limited period where shipping would occur); ships hiring security crews with sufficient firepower and authority (not unlimited authority, however) to defend against pirate attacks; captured pirates would be prosecuted.
- If piracy has reached a point where it is imposing a significant burden, a limited military operation could be conducted against pirate enclaves and their supporting infrastructure.
- If the national security interests are sufficiently compelling, the U.S. and/or other affected nations with exposed critical interests could take control of Somalia's coastline and begin "supervising" shipping activity in Somalia's waters.

IMO, the national interests at stake are not sufficiently critical to justify that last policy response by the U.S./NATO states (and even as it might be unpopular, I don't believe the U.S. national interest was sufficiently strong to warrant U.S. military intervention during the early 1990s). The first option should be pursued by all pleasure/recreation craft. The first or second option should be pursued by large commercial craft.

Finally, it should be noted that some of Somalia's neighbors may have sufficiently critical interests at stake to warrant either the third or fourth option. Hence, if they chose to pursue such a course, it would be justified based on their interests.
 
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Just about yes and I previously showed a graph which showed a few years, a majority of the hijackings were occurring in what was deemed Somali waters.

Edit: Found it.

See how many hijackings are stupidly close to Somalia
800px-Somalian_Piracy_Threat_Map_2010.png


Some of them are practically next to the coast!

Yet you were claiming for 100 miles of crime-approved waters.
 
I don't see a scale, but it looks like more so have been outside of the 12 mile range.
 
Yet you were claiming for 100 miles of crime-approved waters.

When did I even suggest that those Americans ought to be killed. I said they weren't anywhere near Somali waters and I differentiate between those who operate in Somali waters (who are coast guard in my eyes) and those who are pushed by greed (if they die, their own fault) and expand outside of Somali waters and go up to a 100 miles out of it
 
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When did I even suggest that those Americans ought to be killed. I said they weren't anywhere near Somali waters and I differentiate between those who operate in Somali waters (who are coast guard in my eyes) and those who are pushed by greed (if they die, their own fault) and expand outside of Somali waters and go up to a 100 miles out of it

I didn't speak simply about those Americans, I speak about any citizen who would be within those 100 miles you've approved piracy in.
 
I didn't speak simply about those Americans, I speak about any citizen who would be within those 100 miles you've approved piracy in.

Ohhh.
I have said it previously in one of the other threads something along the lines of:

If they successfully hijack. Good for them.
If they die, good for the Navy who killed them.
The same way I sided with US who killed the Pirates who took the Americans hostage, they were dumb and cocky. They got killed. They asked for it
 
Oh pal ease!

If you wanna go yachting off the ****ing coast of Somalia as 4 white American Christians and you didn't see this coming, I have no idea what planet they were on...

Here's a good way not to die off the coast of Somalia that we all know has been dangerous for YEARS!

DONT GO THERE!

What was it you said when the christian missionaries died in afganistan Mr V?



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Seriously? You're equating those two comments? Man you're hurting here for ammo bub.

First off, I held no hate for those folks doing their Christian Ministry work. Gray Fox WAS. BIG difference. I was not saying they deserved to die for what they were doing, only pissed off they went and DID IT in so dangerous a place.

That you cannot see the difference in those views says a LOT about you as a person.
 
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Seriously? You're equating those two comments? Man you're hurting here for ammo bub.

First off, I held no hate for those folks doing their Christian Ministry work. Gray Fox WAS. BIG difference. I was not saying they deserved to die for what they were doing, only pissed off they went and DID IT in so dangerous a place.

That you cannot see the difference in those views says a LOT about you as a person.

I may not agree with Gray Foxs comment, but it's a stretch to say he meant that these people "deserved to die".
 
- If the national security interests are sufficiently compelling, the U.S. and/or other affected nations with exposed critical interests could take control of Somalia's coastline and begin "supervising" shipping activity in Somalia's waters.

How would US deal with Al Shabab which would fight any attempt by US to take control of Somalia?
 
Ohhh.
I have said it previously in one of the other threads something along the lines of:

If they successfully hijack. Good for them.
If they die, good for the Navy who killed them.
The same way I sided with US who killed the Pirates who took the Americans hostage, they were dumb and cocky. They got killed. They asked for it

Yet you're saying that if they engage in a crime successfully then it is "good for them". Not quite the moral agenda there.
 
Really? A stretch? THis???


I think not.

It's a dumbass comment don't get me wrong.

I unno, and don't care.

YO!

To get back on topic (sorry for diverting).

Who wants to go kill some poor black somali men in retalation?
 
I may not agree with Gray Foxs comment, but it's a stretch to say he meant that these people "deserved to die".

More proof your morality is questionable and your judgment lacking.

He explicitly states they deserved to die for being Christian Ministers. Even after called out for it.

I think anyone sailing a Yacht near Somalia, is stupid as hell, but they don't deserver to DIE for it.
 
Wait, so the pirates have a right to kill Americans because they were close to Somalia? This is defending their homeland? What threat does 4 Christian missionaries pose? So, if pirates are justified in killing Americans for their homeland, America should be justified in killing all the pirates in order to keep our citizens safe and have justice brought for the families of those killed. There is no justification for what happened.
 
Yes I do.
Those who act within Somali waters are defending their territory as is their God given right.

Those who act 100 miles outside of Somali waters have nothing but greed in mind.

Therefore any wacked out British nationalist has the right to murder you.

It's their god given right, after all........
 
Yes I do.
Those who act within Somali waters are defending their territory as is their God given right.

Those who act 100 miles outside of Somali waters have nothing but greed in mind.



you think there are two different kinds of pirates? ones that are concious of a 12 mile limit, and others who don't care? really?
 
Therefore any wacked out British nationalist has the right to murder you.

It's their god given right, after all........

No man, only if he succeeds then it's good for him. If he gets arrested or something then it's his fault.
 
-- So, if pirates are justified in killing Americans for their homeland

Laila never said that. Page 5 - "they should have been released."

the trouble with circle-jerks is that little details often get missed.
 
Laila never said that. Page 5 - "they should have been released."

the trouble with circle-jerks is that little details often get missed.

I am directing my comments towards the notion that killings would be justified if people were close to Somalia. Not necessarily towards Laila specifically.
 
I am directing my comments towards the notion that killings would be justified if people were close to Somalia. Not necessarily towards Laila specifically.

I think the notion itself is a false premise, I don't believe anyone has proposed that.

Anyhow - further reports from the area now show conflicting stories about who fired first.

But the BBC's Will Ross in Nairobi says the pirates' telling of the encounter differs from the US Navy's. The pirates report the US warship attacked first, killing two pirates, and the hostages were killed in retaliation.

The incident will provoke further debate on whether the use of force is wise when dealing with Somali pirates who have already taken hostages, our correspondent says.

According to the US military, Navy warships began tracking the hijacked vessel on Friday and were following it toward the Somali coast.

Navy officials told reporters on Tuesday that two pirates had boarded a naval vessel for negotiations when the pirate crew aboard the Quest fired a rocket-propelled grenade at their ship.

The US Navy sailors then heard gunfire aboard the Quest and dispatched a boarding party, which discovered the four Americans' bodies.

The US Navy captured 13 pirates, killed two - one with shots and another with a knife - and found the remains of two other pirates already dead about the vessel, the US military said. BBC News
 
I may not agree with Gray Foxs comment, but it's a stretch to say he meant that these people "deserved to die".

You "may not agree"??

How would you interpret, "oh well. They were Christian missionaries so they had it coming"?

So you may agree with that.
 
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