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BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

spud_meister said:
So who said that?
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No one, he's misinterpenting Laila's words. She didn't refer to murder specifically, nor did she refer to the American nationality specifically. She merely said that she approves of disgusting immoral crime against innocent victims who pass through that area and that she supports people who engage in crime against innocent victims to support the Somali people, who she calls "the coast guards".
 
Apocalypse said:
No one, he's misinterpenting Laila's words. She didn't refer to murder specifically, nor did she refer to the American nationality specifically. She merely said that she approves of disgusting immoral crime against innocent victims who pass through that area and that she supports people who engage in crime against innocent victims to support the Somali people, who she calls "the coast guards".
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I can't believe after she's explained herself and Zyphlin clarified for Rev that you're still deliberately spinning Laila's words to a false meaning. I've had my disagreements with you befor Apocalypse but you were always more honest than this. She's even bothered to explain the "coast guards" vs "pirates" to you and you even discussed the difference with her.

apdst said:
She's said it numerous times on this forum
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You're doing it too. Can you post an example please?

apdst said:
-- Pirate hideouts.
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They don't look like the one you see in Hollywood films, the country has been flattened by wars, the coastal towns were flattened by the 2004 tsunami. Lobbing a few cruise missiles is more likely to prettify the place up than hit any legitimate targets. Bomb some villages and kill innocents and all you do is create more pirates this time with a real hatred for Americans.

DiAnna said:
-- Somali pirates have blanketed the entire ocean from north Africa almost to the coast of India. There is no way to get anywhere by boat in that part of the world without going through waters stalked by Somali pirates.
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I'm wiling to bet that some boats are non Somali pirates, other Africans will have seen that they can make a fast buck holding ships to ransom.

DiAnna said:
--These weren't stupid people. They didn't deserve their life's dream to be ended in a bloodbath.
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Very true, it's hard to see the reason they sailed into dangerous waters. Other pleasure crews have started avoiding the whole area and it will start affecting tourism. We have to go back to Don Sutherland's post to look at the realistic options - one of which includes cleaning up all the toxic waste dumped there but also includes coastline nations in the area acting together to ruthlessly target the pirates. America may or may not have the sea power to police the area but it can't be everywhere especially when individual boats ignore intrnational warnings.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
12 miles is the range for security issues

200 miles or so is the range for exclusive economic activity. Some are extending it towards the contentental shelf. But just going with the 200 mile economic exclusive range would mean the Somalis as compensation for theft and illegal dumping should enforce a "tax" on all ships passing within that range of the coast
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+10000

It has been a calculated a loss from Somalia's economy and resources up to 300 million a year.
Now calculate that 300 million by almost 2 decades.

Pirates (both types) are only getting 100 million from ransoms every year. It's going to be a longggg time before we break even with what was stolen with us so to think about it, the rest of the world is still doing pretty well for itself.

Infinite Chaos said:
I'm wiling to bet that some boats are non Somali pirates, other Africans will have seen that they can make a fast buck holding ships to ransom.
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Have I told you before how brilliantly astute you are. Our lovely neighbors get in on the action and get a piece of the pie :)
 
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Le Marteau said:
Of course not. But you're just proving my point that you don't understand what I'm talking about. There's something called a national consciousness, a national awareness. It's a real thing, and it's a powerful concept. I wasn't alive during the Blitz, but my father was, as was his father, and my uncles, and my aunts, and my neighbours, and their parents, and my co-workers' parents. It is real to us, it's not just some story like it is to you guys.

But you don't know what I'm talking about.
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If I remember my history, the US stayed out of WWII. We didn't want any trouble. :lol: My parents are German immigrants, pal. I think they knew what WWII was because they lived it.
 
spud_meister said:
Hey, their whole continent has a GDP greater than your single country, you can't frown at that. :lol:
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I love that comparison, I think they're ganging up on us. I hope they don't hurt us, please don't hurt us.
 
Le Marteau said:
Most of the European Union have more liberal speech laws than the United States. Just thought I'd say.
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Unless, of course, you are critical of Muslims are Islam. Then you'll be taken to court, have your life threatened, or perhaps even be murdered.
 
American said:
If I remember my history, the US stayed out of WWII. We didn't want any trouble. :lol: My parents are German immigrants, pal. I think they knew what WWII was because they lived it.
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It seems Europeans are now being taught that Americans did not participate in either WWI or WWII, and the Marshall Plan, to them, might be from a western movie. It's truly pathetic what's going on over there.
 
Le Marteau said:
Of course not. But you're just proving my point that you don't understand what I'm talking about. There's something called a national consciousness, a national awareness. It's a real thing, and it's a powerful concept. I wasn't alive during the Blitz, but my father was, as was his father, and my uncles, and my aunts, and my neighbours, and their parents, and my co-workers' parents. It is real to us, it's not just some story like it is to you guys.

But you don't know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah, and I remember when Bunjil created the Kulin nations 'cause my second cousin on my mothers side married a person who was 1/16th aboriginal.
 
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Apocalypse said:
This is the first comment of yours that I'm reading here yet you've done a great job at basing your immorality by promoting a crude generalization of the opinions and attitudes of people from a certain nationality and by claiming support for people who engage in crime against innocents.

There's no reason why anyone should listen to a preach of morality from a person who clearly has none of it in his heart and mind.
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It's abundantly obvious that there is a bias in this thread: pro-west and anti-poverty. Israeli and American foreign policy are very clear, and they are allies, and this is a conservative forum. Most ppl posting here are pro-west, it's clear as day.

Sorry you got offended but I hardly care. Your country is to blame for senseless death just as much as the pirates are.
 
Temporal said:
It's abundantly obvious that there is a bias in this thread: pro-west and anti-poverty. Israeli and American foreign policy are very clear, and they are allies, and this is a conservative forum. Most ppl posting here are pro-west, it's clear as day.

Sorry you got offended but I hardly care. Your country is to blame for senseless death just as much as the pirates are.
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I doubt anyone is really too concerned or offended by your opinions, Temporal. You give them too much importance.
 
Grant said:
It seems Europeans are now being taught that Americans did not participate in either WWI or WWII, and the Marshall Plan, to them, might be from a western movie. It's truly pathetic what's going on over there.
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You got some funny ideas about what goes on "over there".

At school in England I was well taught about American involvment in Europe, and it was rather positive.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You got some funny ideas about what goes on "over there".

At school in England I was well taught about American involvment in Europe, and it was rather positive.
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Well with the exception of WW1, I agree. I was taught by English teachers too and the only times the US was mentioned when taking WW1, was when the mental crack the Germans got from the American entrance to the war was discussed, and of course the incompetence of some US commanders that got so many American's killed. Also the highly skilled marksmanship of US soldiers as a whole. But as the over all impact on the fighting and the war, it was always relatively small, which is as I found out later in life, was factually correct. But this is way off topic :)

The Americans in question here, were just as stupid as all the other non professional sailors who got themselves kidnapped near the there, and yes 1500 km is peanuts considering there have been hijackings as far as way as Kenya and Oman. One has to be utterly stupid to think that going that way is not a risk.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
You got some funny ideas about what goes on "over there".

At school in England I was well taught about American involvment in Europe, and it was rather positive.
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That might have been a while ago then, and it's encouraging to hear it was "rather positive". but the fact is that when Europeans misrepresent the truth about the United States it is seldom other Europeans who try to set the record straight. Sedlom do they ever give balance to the anti American comments either.
 
PeteEU said:
But as the over all impact on the fighting and the war, it was always relatively small, which is as I found out later in life, was factually correct.
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There were 117,000 Americans killed in WWI, 67,000 Canadians and 62,000 Aussies. All "relatively small" to a Brit perhaps but certainly not to those who were fighting alongside their former British allies

The next time Britain goes to war you can bet that any contribution will be relatively much, much smaller.
 
Grant said:
There were 117,000 Americans killed in WWI, 67,000 Canadians and 62,000 Aussies. All "relatively small" to a Brit perhaps but certainly not to those who were fighting alongside their former British allies

The next time Britain goes to war you can bet that any contribution will be relatively much, much smaller.
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Youi do know Japan an ally of Germany attacked the US, don't you? That is why we fought the Germans, not to save GB.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitler_declares_war.html
 
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USA_1 said:
Youi do know Japan an ally of Germany attacked the US, don't you? That is why we fought the Germans, not to save GB.

Hitler Declares War on the United States
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We are discussing WW!.

You can add to the conversation though on how the British are taught that it was incompetent American commanders who got all the Americans killed.

It was their own fault, you see. That's what they're being taught in British schools.
 
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Grant said:
We are discussing WW!.

You can add to the conversation though on how the British are taught that it was incompetent American commanders who got all the Americans killed.

It was their own fault, you see. That's what they're being taught in British schools.
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As usual you are just making sh** up to support your obsessive, anti-British propaganda. If you can provide a single piece of British history curriculum material that says anything like
it was incompetent American commanders who got all the Americans killed
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, I'll withdraw my accusation of bare-faced lying.

And this has got what to do with Somalia? Your lying is derailing, flaming and baiting.
 
Grant said:
That might have been a while ago then, and it's encouraging to hear it was "rather positive". but the fact is that when Europeans misrepresent the truth about the United States it is seldom other Europeans who try to set the record straight. Sedlom do they ever give balance to the anti American comments either.
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Could please provide me with some examples of how school children in Europe are misrepresented the history of American involvement in Europe.
 
Andalublue said:
And this has got what to do with Somalia? Your lying is derailing, flaming and baiting.
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:lol:

I think the thread has been well and truly derailed.
 
Somali pirates could face trial in U.S., experts say | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times

U.S. officials are mulling whether to bring 15 captured Somali pirates to America to face justice in the deaths of four Americans whose yacht was hijacked in the Arabian Sea.
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http://www.afrol.com/articles/37366

Somaliland ministers and a visiting donor from the Norwegian government inaugurated a new modern prison in Hargeisa, which will make it possible to convict Somali pirates caught by international forces.
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Bad bad move Somaliland.
 
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apdst said:
Whhy did we send more resources against Germany, than we did Japan, in the early months of the war?
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Did we? How much more resources did we send against Germany?
 
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