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Well, I'd say that was for the universities to decide for themselves. They allow a fair degree of internal democratic process to decide these things. Why not leave it up to the student body and faculty to make the right decision for themselves?

Well I hope that's what's happening right now. Lee Bollinger apparently stated that he would reinstate ROTC on campus once the DADT repeal effort has proven to be successful, let's see if he puts his money where his mouth his. As for the hecklers...they represent the dumb side of American liberalism, they should go hang out with the Code Pink people.
 
Well, I'd say that was for the universities to decide for themselves. They allow a fair degree of internal democratic process to decide these things. Why not leave it up to the student body and faculty to make the right decision for themselves?

:lamo that's like letting a blind man pick out his own clothes :lamo
 
So you want to enforce the ROTC on any university that receives federal funds?

ROTC, in my opinion, is a program that offers an opportunity. I don't see the existence of ROTC as an imposition or foisting anything on anyone. If you don't like ROTC or don't like the military, don't join it. Although in my experience most ROTC kids I have met aren't all that bright, they're only in ROTC to pay for college and they're only in college to party, but that's another story.
 
ROTC, in my opinion, is a program that offers an opportunity. I don't see the existence of ROTC as an imposition or foisting anything on anyone. If you don't like ROTC or don't like the military, don't join it. Although in my experience most ROTC kids I have met aren't all that bright, they're only in ROTC to pay for college and they're only in college to party, but that's another story.

Hmm, that's convincing!
 
All of those who insulted that fine man need to slapped in the face.
 
All of those who insulted that fine man need to slapped in the face.

Well, y'see, that was the problem. Have you listened to the recording? As far as I could make out 2, maybe three people did not listen to him without heckling. It wasn't like he was mobbed or lynched. One person said 'woo-hoo', two others said 'haw-haw' and that was about the extent of the disrespect he received. I have a feeling certain forces are exaggerating the incident for political purposes. Couldn't be News International, could it?
 
A veteran who was wounded so grievously, shot 11 times, who nearly died serving his country... to have him treated so disrespectfully literally hurts my heart. There's probably nobody who is more against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan than I am, but this behavior is so uncalled for. I hate the wars, but honor the soldiers.

I can't wrap my head around such mean-spirited outbursts.
 
I hope the Sgt makes a full recovery, it kinda reminds me of what my late great uncle went through. His stomach was destroyed by gun fire in Korea and always had problems doing basic tasks and getting around. One can only imagine the pain that Maschek went though.

This is a fabulous argument to reinstate the draft.

Actually no its not, conscription has no place in a free society.

MTA rates went up. :shrug:

Remember the huge protests back in the city last year?

Students Protest Proposed MetroCard Cuts | NBC New York

Bunch of spoiled ****s I tell you.
 
I think anyone who is courageous enough to serve in the military should be praised no matter how you feel for the wars. You do not have to agree with what harm they are put in but to boo or heckle a veteran is so unAmerican it makes me sick. The people who literally serve and protect each and everyone of our rights shouldnt have to deal with BULL from ungrateful and useless people.
 
A veteran who was wounded so grievously, shot 11 times, who nearly died serving his country... to have him treated so disrespectfully literally hurts my heart. There's probably nobody who is more against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan than I am, but this behavior is so uncalled for. I hate the wars, but honor the soldiers.

I can't wrap my head around such mean-spirited outbursts.

Right, a difference needs to be outlined between the war and the warriors, the policy and the executors.
 
Anti-war is not nessecarily a negative :prof

I know that not all anti-war people are not trash, which is why I didn't say "Anti-war acting like the trash they are". I am sure many of the ones who are not trashed would never join code pink or behave the way these anti-war trash in the op article did.
 
Once again, the academic contempt for our military rears its ugly head. I believe in the value of a good education and even the so-called "liberal" education in philosophy and the humanities, but far too many of the people providing that education use their privileged position to poison young minds against the values of patriotism and service. The universities need to be purged.
 
I have a hard time having any respect for the American military (or any military for that matter) after watching the movie Winter Soldier. But I don't see any reason to show any disrespect towards this man. I also don't see any reason to show any reverence towards him. I do have some respect for believing in something so much you'd lay down your life for it. I don't think anyone should try to influence young minds towards any political position, simply give them them unbiased knowledge and let them choose for themselves. I think we try to glorify the military far too much in this country, and refuse to acknowledge all the negative aspects of it's efforts. Not enough people see the side of the people we've in invaded. Look at those unexploded American dropped bombs in Laos that continue to kill innocent civilians to this day. We need to accept the fact that the American military isn't any more moral than any other. We don't need to glorify it in the eyes of our young either.
 
People who are willing to risk life and limb to serve our nation deserve glory.

Why do they deserve glory? Why does serving our nation warrant respect? Does it matter what happens in the pursuit of serving our nation? No, as long as it's in the nation's best interest it must be right. Our nation doesn't look so great to the people getting blown up.
 
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Why do they deserve glory? Why does serving our nation warrant respect? Does it matter what happens in the pursuit of serving our nation? No, as long as it's in the nation's best interest it must be right. Our nation doesn't look so great to the people getting bombed.

We glorify it so that we can entice the stupid young people in our country to go get shot at so that we can strip other countries of their natural resources. It's better to say they are heros fighting for freedom and to make the world a safer and more democratic place than tell them the truth that they are just pawns we use to enforce our political and economic agendas on the world.
 
Why do they deserve glory? Why does serving our nation warrant respect? Does it matter what happens in the pursuit of serving our nation? No, as long as it's in the nation's best interest it must be right. Our nation doesn't look so great to the people getting blown up.

People who defend us deserve every ounce of respect you have. Let's get down to basics... Think about when you go to sleep at night... you lay down. Enjoy the compfy mattress and warm blankets... maybe even cuddle with a loved one. Well next time you do lay down to sleep remember. thousands of miles away theres a young men and women who would lay their own blood into the ground so you and yours are safe. I think that makes them worthy of respect regardless. A soldier gives up freedom to protect yours.
 
People who defend us deserve every ounce of respect you have. Let's get down to basics... Think about when you go to sleep at night... you lay down. Enjoy the compfy mattress and warm blankets... maybe even cuddle with a loved one. Well next time you do lay down to sleep remember. thousands of miles away theres a young men and women who would lay their own blood into the ground so you and yours are safe. I think that makes them worthy of respect regardless. A soldier gives up freedom to protect yours.

I'm a little more inclined to think our nuclear arsenal has something to do with our unimpeded freedom in this modern age than a soldier riding in a Humvee out in the middle of Afghanistan. Tell ya what, which one do you think we could give up and still be here tomorrow?

The fact is that since the Cold War, the days of soldiers fighting for our freedom have gone extinct. It's nothing but a relic of a bygone age. Soldiers now fight to maintain our economic and political supremacy.
 
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We glorify it so that we can entice the stupid young people in our country to go get shot at so that we can strip other countries of their natural resources. It's better to say they are heros fighting for freedom and to make the world a safer and more democratic place than tell them the truth that they are just pawns we use to enforce our political and economic agendas on the world.

I'd Try not to tread in such areas. Trying to convince people of government corruption and control immediately makes one a conspiracy theorist in their eyes, from my experiences anyway.
 
I'm a little more inclined to think our nuclear arsenal has something to do with our unimpeded freedom in this modern age than a soldier riding in a Humvee out in the middle of Afghanistan. Tell ya what, which one do you think we could give up and still be here tomorrow?

The fact is that since the Cold War, the days of soldiers fighting for our freedom have gone extinct. It's nothing but a relic of a bygone age. Soldiers now fight to maintain our economic and political supremacy.

I am sorry I would have to disagree. My family has been in some sort of military for as long as there has been an American military. They sign up to defend us from foreign and domestic terrorist. If we had no military, do you think we would be sitting here debating this? I am sure some country would try out their new big boy pants and try to defeat America. Now I understand why some people cant wrap their heads around this proud feeling some of us get when speaking of the military..they just dont get it. Which is ok , but I can tell you those men and women out there have our freedom in their minds...and know they are defending it no matter the cost.
 
I'd Try not to tread in such areas. Trying to convince people of government corruption and control immediately makes one a conspiracy theorist in their eyes, from my experiences anyway.

I don't want them to believe me. I want them to be stupid and go get shot at or allow their kids to go get shot at so that I can continue to pay less at the gas pump than Europe. I have no guilt about it whatsoever. The government exists to serve the people, and maintaining our supremacy is a valid goal. If we have to suppress a few countries, install a few dictators, fabricate intelligence so we can preemptively attack resource rich nations, etc. then fine. Better us than them.
 
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