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Wounded Iraq veteran jeered for speaking in Columbia University ROTC debate - NYPOST.com


Columbia University students heckled a war hero during a town-hall meeting on whether ROTC should be allowed back on campus.

"Racist!" some students yelled at Anthony Maschek, a Columbia freshman and former Army staff sergeant awarded the Purple Heart after being shot 11 times in a firefight in northern Iraq in February 2008. Others hissed and booed the veteran.

Maschek, 28, had bravely stepped up to the mike Tuesday at the meeting to issue an impassioned challenge to fellow students on their perceptions of the military.

"It doesn't matter how you feel about the war. It doesn't matter how you feel about fighting," said Maschek. "There are bad men out there plotting to kill you."
CLASH: Veteran Anthony Maschek (above, with fiancée Angela O'Neill) faced heckling from fellow Columbia students over ROTC (below).
Matthew McDermott
CLASH: Veteran Anthony Maschek (above, with fiancée Angela O'Neill) faced heckling from fellow Columbia students over ROTC (below).
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Several students laughed and jeered the Idaho native, a 10th Mountain Division infantryman who spent two years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington recovering from grievous wounds.

Maschek, who is studying economics, miraculously survived the insurgent attack in Kirkuk. In the hail of gunfire, he broke both legs and suffered wounds to his abdomen, arm and chest.

Read more: Wounded Iraq veteran jeered for speaking in Columbia University ROTC debate - NYPOST.com
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ungrateful little snots.
 
This is a fabulous argument to reinstate the draft.
 
I hire and work with a lot of ex-military, guys mostly, not so much the girls in my particular business. They are by far the best. They are always prompt and follow instruction flawlessly. So perhaps you're correct.
 
My point was that if the draft were tied to government handouts maybe there could be a partial recovery of revenue. Even if the individuals didn't actually serve but did maybe menial things like scrub latrines and barracks or wash the Humvees.

It would possibly give them an altered perspective.
 
LookingGlass said:
My point was that if the draft were tied to government handouts maybe there could be a partial recovery of revenue. Even if the individuals didn't actually serve but did maybe menial things like scrub latrines and barracks or wash the Humvees.

It would possibly give them an altered perspective.
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they could all serve as pillow fluffers at basic training and boot camps
 
These young people are the result of Liberalism that has taken control of the School systems from K through College.

The saying that, "Those who can do and those who can't Teach," is true.

Conservatives go out and work hard to make a buck and get ahead. Liberals become teachers because it's easy and once on the job they don't have to produce results ever.

Students are being brain washed aand what is worse is as can be seen here daily once indoctrinated they truly believe the nonsense they spew.

If you Google Liberalism is a mental disorder you find that Mike Savage is not alone in the belief.
 
Why are they angry?
 
Councilman said:
These young people are the result of Liberalism that has taken control of the School systems from K through College.

The saying that, "Those who can do and those who can't Teach," is true.

Conservatives go out and work hard to make a buck and get ahead. Liberals become teachers because it's easy and once on the job they don't have to produce results ever.
Students are being brain washed aand what is worse is as can be seen here daily once indoctrinated they truly believe the nonsense they spew.

If you Google Liberalism is a mental disorder you find that Mike Savage is not alone in the belief.
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Summers off, as well as every stinking holiday ever invented, long Christmas breaks, pensions, and pretty decent pay considering there's nothing they really have to "produce".

The sad thing is, about 1/4 of them are damn fine teachers who truly love what they do and take tremendous pride in making indelible marks in student's livest, and they get sullied by the rest who are living their liberal dreams and half-assing their true responsibilities, while often having a limited education themselves.
 
You don't have to support the mission or the politics behind it, but this kind of disgusting behaviour towards men and woman who serve their country is not kosher to me.

Jerkoffs.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
ungrateful little snots.
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So, are the other students meant to agree with him and his political statements in deference to his, albeit distinguished, military service? His statement,
It doesn't matter how you feel about the war. It doesn't matter how you feel about fighting, there are bad men out there plotting to kill you.
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...is not uncontroversial. He was hissed and jeered for expressing a particular position. This is hardly news-worthy. I'm guessing that there isn't a single controversial debate that doesn't provoke jeering and hissing. Are you guys arguing that his position should have been approved because of his record? I thought that freedom of expression was one of the things he had made those sacrifices to defend. You can't defend freedom of expression and then expect others not to exercise their freedom.
 
Andalublue said:
So, are the other students meant to agree with him and his political statements in deference to his, albeit distinguished, military service? His statement,
...is not uncontroversial. He was hissed and jeered for expressing a particular position. This is hardly news-worthy. I'm guessing that there isn't a single controversial debate that doesn't provoke jeering and hissing. Are you guys arguing that his position should have been approved because of his record? I thought that freedom of expression was one of the things he had made those sacrifices to defend. You can't defend freedom of expression and then expect others not to exercise their freedom.
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I think he should be afforded the courtesy of not being called a racist. Dude took 11 bullets for his country, these little snots should show some respect. If you disagree with him fine, be an adult about it, not a silver spoon fed jackass with an axe to grind.


If I was there, you bet the hecklers would be "heckled back"....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I think he should be afforded the courtesy of not being called a racist. Dude took 11 bullets for his country, these little snots should show some respect. If you disagree with him fine, be an adult about it, not a silver spoon fed jackass with an axe to grind.


If I was there, you bet the hecklers would be "heckled back"....
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Yes, I agree to an extent except... I just searched and searched and could find just 1 reference to this story. The whole thing is based on the one report from the NY Post. The story wasn't reported in any other media, not even Columbia's own media. The Huff, a whole host of bloggers and the UK's Daily Mail all reported the NYP's story but there isn't a single corroborating report from any other independent source. So, can I believe that the guy was jeered? Yes. Of course. It was a political meeting, of course there would be heckling. Did he get called a racist? Well, there was no context in which the comment was reported. What did he say that the NYP is reporting he was called a racist for? They don't tell us. So, was he called a racist? No idea. It could have happened. But did he say something racist to provoke the comment? Maybe, maybe not, the NYP doesn't tell us.

You say you would have heckled back in his defence, but you don't have the first clue what he said other than the 27 words the NYP quoted him as saying. What if he had spewed a tirade of racist abuse? I'm not saying he did, but we don't know. I'd be interested to read the transcript of the meeting. Without that I'm suspicious of populist, liberal-bashing Murdoch media outlets. That's just how I am.
 
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Andalublue said:
Yes, I agree to an extent except... I just searched and searched and could find just 1 reference to this story. The whole thing is based on the one report from the NY Post. The story wasn't reported in any other media, not even Columbia's own media. The Huff, a whole host of bloggers and the UK's Daily Mail all reported the NYP's story but there isn't a single corroborating report from any other independent source. So, can I believe that the guy was jeered? Yes. Of course. It was a political meeting, of course there would be heckling. Did he get called a racist? Well, there was no context in which the comment was reported. What did he say that the NYP is reporting he was called a racist for? They don't tell us. So, was he called a racist? No idea. It could have happened. But did he say something racist to provoke the comment? Maybe, maybe not, the NYP doesn't tell us.

You say you would have heckled back in his defence, but you don't have the first clue what he said other than the 27 words the NYP quoted him as saying. What if he had spewed a tirade of racist abuse? I'm not saying he did, but we don't know. I'd be interested to read the transcript of the meeting. Without that I'm suspicious of populist, liberal-bashing Murdoch media outlets. That's just how I am.
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I have a relative on staff there, I'll ask tonight.


Better yet.

http://realclearpolitics.com/video/...led_at_columbia_university_during_debate.html

here is the audio. Completely disrespectful and ignorant. He brought up some very good points. One of the signs he was responding to, was that the poor are the ones who serve (btw, not true, they are underrepresented), which he pointed out for expensive columbia, they are discriminating against the poor.


The dood out classed these jokers, and they knew it.
 
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someone's gone and spit on the golden calf!

can't have that!!!
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I have a relative on staff there, I'll ask tonight.


Better yet.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Purple Heart Recipient Heckled At Columbia University During Debate

here is the audio. Completely disrespectful and ignorant. He brought up some very good points. One of the signs he was responding to, was that the poor are the ones who serve (btw, not true, they are underrepresented), which he pointed out for expensive columbia, they are discriminating against the poor.


The dood out classed these jokers, and they knew it.
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The guy did fine, but that audio, if that was the extent of the heckling, man that was so mild! I heard no shouts of 'racist', I heard one "woo-hoo" and two outbursts of cackling laughter. You expect that he would have been listened to in silence?

Having listened to the whole thing, my reaction is that the guy got to make his point, that a couple of people disagreed vocally and... er, that's it. How, in God's name, did that merit an NY Post article? We had a village council meeting here last week about this year's fiesta and whether we could afford one or two live music bands to play. Someone insulted one of last year's bands and another person laid him out for it. Literally. Uppercut, broke three teeth, laid him out. That didn't make the local weekly, never mind a major national daily.
 
Ivy League education going to waste. At first it was about DADT, now they're just showing they dislike the military. Either reinstate ROTC or stop taking federal funds.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Ivy League education going to waste. At first it was about DADT, now they're just showing they dislike the military. Either reinstate ROTC or stop taking federal funds.
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You think universities receiving government funding have a duty to provide the US military with officers?
 
Andalublue said:
You think universities receiving government funding have a duty to provide the US military with officers?
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This is a private university receiving public funds. The government has no obligation to provide Columbia with money. The way it works is, you scratch my back, and I scratch yours. Prior to the Vietnam War, Columbia actually had a strong ROTC tradition. It should be time to bring it back so Columbia students don't have to commute to Fordham all the time.
 
StillBallin75 said:
This is a private university receiving public funds. The government has no obligation to provide Columbia with money. The way it works is, you scratch my back, and I scratch yours. Prior to the Vietnam War, Columbia actually had a strong ROTC tradition. It should be time to bring it back so Columbia students don't have to commute to Fordham all the time.
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That being the case, the funds private universities receive from the federal government should be tagged and made explicitly dependent on the existence of an ROTC branch, or perhaps on a sliding scale based on the number of post-grads enrolling as officers.
 
Andalublue said:
That being the case, the funds private universities receive from the federal government should be tagged and made explicitly dependent on the existence of an ROTC branch, or perhaps on a sliding scale based on the number of post-grads enrolling as officers.
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I think the bottom line is, this isn't the Vietnam War era anymore, Don't Ask Don't Tell has been repealed, and students should have an opportunity to participate in such a program. All this talk about ROTC "militarizing" campuses is complete BS.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think the bottom line is, this isn't the Vietnam War era anymore, Don't Ask Don't Tell has been repealed, and students should have an opportunity to participate in such a program. All this talk about ROTC "militarizing" campuses is complete BS.
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Well, I'd say that was for the universities to decide for themselves. They allow a fair degree of internal democratic process to decide these things. Why not leave it up to the student body and faculty to make the right decision for themselves?
 
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