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China tries to stamp out 'Jasmine Revolution'

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By ANITA CHANG, Associated Press Anita Chang, Associated Press 1 hr 59 mins ago

BEIJING – Jittery Chinese authorities wary of any domestic dissent staged a concerted show of force Sunday to squelch a mysterious online call for a "Jasmine Revolution" apparently modeled after pro-democracy demonstrations sweeping the Middle East.
Authorities detained activists, increased the number of police on the streets, disconnected some mobile phone text messaging services and censored Internet postings about the call to stage protests at 2 p.m. in Beijing, Shanghai and 11 other major cities.
The campaign did not gain much traction among ordinary citizens and the chances of overthrowing the Communist government are slim, considering Beijing's tight controls over the media and Internet. A student-led, pro-democracy movement in 1989 was crushed by the military and hundreds, perhaps thousands, were killed.
On Sunday, police took at least three people away in Beijing, one of whom tried to lay down white jasmine flowers while hundreds of people milled about the protest gathering spot, outside a McDonald's on the capital's busiest shopping street. In Shanghai, police led away three people near the planned protest spot after they scuffled in an apparent bid to grab the attention of passers-by.
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Here goes! China flexing muscle.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The only Purpose of this post, is to get a rise out of someone.

Seriously bro?
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While crude perhaps, there is a ring of truth to it, I mean after all even Obama has openly admired china and how they do business...

Just sayin.
 
MrVicchio said:
While crude perhaps, there is a ring of truth to it, I mean after all even Obama has openly admired china and how they do business...

Just sayin.
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Right or wrong I'm inclined to agree... One should admire such efficiency.

But no, saying such a blanket statement has no purpose except to spark animosity.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Right or wrong I'm inclined to agree... One should admire such efficiency.

But no, saying such a blanket statement has no purpose except to spark animosity.
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The price of Gov't efficiency the way they do business is the loss of personal freedoms and liberty.
 
MrVicchio said:
The price of Gov't efficiency the way they do business is the loss of personal freedoms and liberty.
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Slow down there Captain America.

I'm not saying I want it that way, but in a morbid way, it is rather impressive for the Chinese to say "Right! We want to build the biggest Dam in the world. You over there, city of 2 million people, get up, you're moving".

"One should admire such efficiency" - Garack, Deep Space Nine
 
Jetboogieman said:
The only Purpose of this post, is to get a rise out of someone.

Seriously bro?
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I just want the libs to see who butt their kissing that's all. It should get a rise out of them, and they need to think about which country they ought to be admiring.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Slow down there Captain America.

I'm not saying I want it that way, but in a morbid way, it is rather impressive for the Chinese to say "Right! We want to build the biggest Dam in the world. You over there, city of 2 million people, get up, you're moving".

"One should admire such efficiency" - Garack, Deep Space Nine
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Am I right or what; he proves my case within three posts. Damn I'm good.
 
American said:
Am I right or what; he proves my case within three posts. Damn I'm good.
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What point did I prove?

That I'm a lib who admires the Chinese way of oppressing their own people?

Nope.

Because I'm niether a liberal, nor do I admire oppression in anyway way shape or form.

I was making more of a dark joke.

But I wonder what satisfaction you get from derailing your own thread with this rubbish?
 
American said:
Am I right or what; he proves my case within three posts. Damn I'm good.
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You're egotistical.

That China's authoritarianism is impressive has nothing to do with you, and that the truth is expressed by someone is unavoidable.
 
China's authoritarianism, is coupled with their human rights violations, repression,etc. and anyone who admires it has some serious issues in need of education.

It fits eight into Obama's love for radicals Socialism?Marxism. Way to go Liberals.
 
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Councilman said:
China's authoritarianism, is coupled with their human rights violations, repression,etc. and anyone who admires it has some serious issues in need of education.

It fits eight into Obama's love for radicals Socialism?Marxism. Way to go Liberals.
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You're not understanding where im coming from. Hardly surprising.
 
A revolution in China can have no reasonable chance of success for the simple reason that there is no clear target. Who are they supposed to remove? China's system was developed from the beginning with the intention of preventing any one person or group from controlling everything. Now, that does not mean popular action cannot have an effect on reform as this has been the case many times in the PRC's history for good and for bad, but a "revolution" is just a naive term used by people who actually think China can be characterized in any way as a dictatorship.
 
American said:
Am I right or what; he proves my case within three posts. Damn I'm good.
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You are right. What they are trying to do is defend the indefensible by attacking the OP as being somehow disengenuous. It's the Alinsky playbook in all its moronic stupidity. They keep forgetting that we can read and they don't own all of the presses anymore.
It's become really pathetic.
 
theunbubba said:
You are right. What they are trying to do is defend the indefensible by attacking the OP as being somehow disengenuous. It's the Alinsky playbook in all its moronic stupidity. They keep forgetting that we can read and they don't own all of the presses anymore.
It's become really pathetic.
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I'm not defending anything. Want to show me in detail how I defended Chinese oppression east Tennessee?
 
Demon of Light said:
A revolution in China can have no reasonable chance of success for the simple reason that there is no clear target. Who are they supposed to remove? China's system was developed from the beginning with the intention of preventing any one person or group from controlling everything. Now, that does not mean popular action cannot have an effect on reform as this has been the case many times in the PRC's history for good and for bad, but a "revolution" is just a naive term used by people who actually think China can be characterized in any way as a dictatorship.
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Wrong. The central committee is a specific target and Hu is it's head. There will be real revolution in China soon. This is merely the beginning. They are testing the will of the Party right now. Between 2012 and 2017 there will be a sweeping revolution there. It is inevitable. With economic gains there comes a need for personal freedom. Lesiure time breeds dissatisfaction with being penned in like a slave. If they try to take away the economic gains it will only hasten the revolution. They need to hold free and fair multiparty elections and have a smooth transition to an open society or they will descend into anarchy.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'm not defending anything. Want to show me in detail how I defended Chinese oppression east Tennessee?
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Are you referring to oppression IN east tennessee? Or are you trying to intimidate me by being slick with the knowledge of my general location? I have a public blog with my photo. You don't scare me at all.

Speaktruthtoliberals.

Don't try that crap with me or you'll end up with a fist in your mouth.
 
theunbubba said:
Wrong. The central committee is a specific target and Hu is it's head. There will be real revolution in China soon. This is merely the beginning. They are testing the will of the Party right now. Between 2012 and 2017 there will be a sweeping revolution there. It is inevitable. With economic gains there comes a need for personal freedom. Lesiure time breeds dissatisfaction with being penned in like a slave. If they try to take away the economic gains it will only hasten the revolution. They need to hold free and fair multiparty elections and have a smooth transition to an open society or they will descend into anarchy.
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Historically, one of the best ways to quell a revolution is to take that anger and point it at a neighboring country.... in this case, I hate to say it, but... well, if Hu comes out and says 'china's problems are the US's fault because of all their bad debts with us' (or something more eloquent to that effect)... Not saying this WILL happen, just that people don't seem to mind brutal dictators if the country is at war.

Though, if China DID go the war route then, it wouldn't necessarily be aimed at the US either.

(for the chinese censors block this out)
The other option would be that the Chinese might just make another example of those that would oppose them.. like they did at Tiananmen square.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Historically, one of the best ways to quell a revolution is to take that anger and point it at a neighboring country.... in this case, I hate to say it, but... well, if Hu comes out and says 'china's problems are the US's fault because of all their bad debts with us' (or something more eloquent to that effect)... Not saying this WILL happen, just that people don't seem to mind brutal dictators if the country is at war.

Though, if China DID go the war route then, it wouldn't necessarily be aimed at the US either.

(for the chinese censors block this out)
The other option would be that the Chinese might just make another example of those that would oppose them.. like they did at Tiananmen square.
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It's been 22 years since Tiananmen square. There has been plenty of time to infiltrate the hierarchy of the Communist party. The old guard is dying off and the new people don't see the need. It's like the Soviet Union. as soon as the old guard has lost enough people through attrition the next will be willing to change and weak enough to allow it. They will have no stomach for war. All it takes is another Yeltsin.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Right or wrong I'm inclined to agree... One should admire such efficiency.

But no, saying such a blanket statement has no purpose except to spark animosity.
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lol wut, I'm a liberal and I have absolutely no respect for the Communist Party in China. IMO Obama's admiration only extends insofar as China's economic machine is working miracles, which is pretty impressive no matter how you cut it.
 
theunbubba said:
Are you referring to oppression IN east tennessee? Or are you trying to intimidate me by being slick with the knowledge of my general location? I have a public blog with my photo. You don't scare me at all.

Speaktruthtoliberals.

Don't try that crap with me or you'll end up with a fist in your mouth.
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What the **** is wrong with you? its says your location under your avatar...

I was simply calling you a sort of nickname by it, no offense meant, American was reffering to me, you appeared to be backing him up, so I wanted you to explain in what way I was defending Chinese oppression...

You sure you're ok in the head there buddy?
 
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StillBallin75 said:
lol wut, I'm a liberal and I have absolutely no respect for the Communist Party in China. IMO Obama's admiration only extends insofar as China's economic machine is working miracles, which is pretty impressive no matter how you cut it.
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That's all I was reffering to, were it up to me, the entire leadership of China would be sent to prison. That is all.
 
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