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House blocks funding for health care law

You do understand what you are saying don't you?

You are agreeing that the HOUSE has killed it....it's not about Obama signing or vetoeing it now....he can't get "money" for it. ;)

The SC will strike it down 5-4 anyway.



But the Senate can negotiate it. If the Senate won't pass it, then it won't get passed. That's how it works. They have to come to a compromise. And like I said, Obama will just veto it if it makes it through the Senate (which it won't). Anybody who thinks Obama won't veto this bill is sadly mistaken.
 
the white house waged (for a few weeks) the fox news war

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html

the white house got its butt kicked and surrendered



if the govt is indeed shut down it will be via presidential veto

Funny, you just quoted a "liberal MSM" source as proof of... wait, what was your point? Either way, as you can see, the NY Times, a supposed liberal news source, was unbiased enough to cover this story (and covered well).

I noticed Fox never covered the story of their nazi blunders and their blunder of calling their owner a terrorist. Where is the MSMs (Fox and Conservative talk radio) coverage of these stories! It's all talking points. It's all MSM, they are almost all biased, and it's a waste of time.

And what was your point again?

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And you win the award for most posts with the most sentence fragments ever. Complete a sentence!
 
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That was never my point, Obama is not in the driver's seat because the same excuse used regarding Gingrich doesn't exist in this case (of shutting down government). The House has legitimate, voter-backed reasons for what they want to do.

So voters want the HC law entirely defunded or repealed? I think not. In fact, an entire repeal of the law is not supported by most Americans. But that doesn't matter. If Congress really did what the public supports, they'd have included a public option (which was supported by a majority of the country). In its present form, the bill won't make it through the Senate. And if it does, Obama will veto it. It's not hard to understand. That's just the way it is.
 
You do understand what you are saying don't you?

You are agreeing that the HOUSE has killed it....it's not about Obama signing or vetoeing it now....he can't get "money" for it. ;)

The SC will strike it down 5-4 anyway.

No, I'm not. I'm saying the House can vote to kill it all they want. But until it passes the Senate and gets signed by Obama, the spending bill goes nowhere. Is this really that hard to understand? The House passes a bill. It then goes to the Senate. If the House and Senate can agree and draft a final bill, it then goes to the president to sign or veto. In its present form this bill will not only die in the Senate, but even if by some miracle it gets passed the Senate, Obama will veto it. Do you really believe that Obama will not veto a bill that essentially kills his signature legislation?

You can wish all you want that the SCOTUS will strike down the law, but that doesn't make it so.
 
No, I'm not. I'm saying the House can vote to kill it all they want. But until it passes the Senate and gets signed by Obama, the spending bill goes nowhere. Is this really that hard to understand? The House passes a bill. It then goes to the Senate. If the House and Senate can agree and draft a final bill, it then goes to the president to sign or veto. In its present form this bill will not only die in the Senate, but even if by some miracle it gets passed the Senate, Obama will veto it. Do you really believe that Obama will not veto a bill that essentially kills his signature legislation?

You can wish all you want that the SCOTUS will strike down the law, but that doesn't make it so.

well put, the gop can pander to its base, but it can't pass legislation
 
Can you quit with this MSM farce? How can conservatives sit on their high horse of illogical reasoning and not notice that they whine and cry about this force called the "MSM" and then brag that Fox News has the highest ratings of any news station. Fox News is the definition of the MSM and you watch it. Just stop. Use your head.

And if the conservatives force a government shut down... I think we'll all see just how childish they are.

How are conservatives forcing a government shut down? They only control the house, and from what I am reading they are passing a bill that would allow the government to continue to run.

So in your liberal thinking, a senate controlled by democrats, voting to not pass the bill, or a liberal president vetoing the bill, that shuts down the government is the fault of the conservatives???

I swear, I'll never understand the liberal blame game.
 
the NY Times, a supposed liberal news source, was unbiased enough to cover this story

LOL!

how could the lady overlook the fox news war, anita dunn (whose favorite philosopher is mao) made it front and center
 
How are conservatives forcing a government shut down? They only control the house, and from what I am reading they are passing a bill that would allow the government to continue to run.

So in your liberal thinking, a senate controlled by democrats, voting to not pass the bill, or a liberal president vetoing the bill, that shuts down the government is the fault of the conservatives???

I swear, I'll never understand the liberal blame game.

well, i think it was 94 when the friends of the wealthy shut down the gov't when the hillbillies then controlled the house
 
if the public option were popular the senate with its sixty dems and pelosi's place with her plurality of seventy six woulda passed it

if the mandate were admired mr manchin wouldn't have campaigned against it

if the govt shuts down it will be because the prez vetoed appropriations

grow up
 
How are conservatives forcing a government shut down? They only control the house, and from what I am reading they are passing a bill that would allow the government to continue to run.

So in your liberal thinking, a senate controlled by democrats, voting to not pass the bill, or a liberal president vetoing the bill, that shuts down the government is the fault of the conservatives???

I swear, I'll never understand the liberal blame game.

If the GOP passes legislation that they know for certain Obama will veto (without working with Dems on a true compromise), then yes, I put the blame on the GOP if there is a gov't shutdown over it. Defunding or repealing the health care law is a non-starter. Obama has repeatedly said that he will veto any legislation that guts the law. The GOP knows that. But they passed it anyway. What does that tell you?
 
If the GOP passes legislation that they know for certain Obama will veto (without working with Dems on a true compromise), then yes, I put the blame on the GOP if there is a gov't shutdown over it. Defunding or repealing the health care law is a non-starter. Obama has repeatedly said that he will veto any legislation that guts the law. The GOP knows that. But they passed it anyway. What does that tell you?

That tells me that payback is a bitch. Obama, Pelosi and Reid should have thought of that before they ignored the GOP when constructing and ramming down our throats the piece of **** called the Healthcare Bill in the first place. Where was that "compromise" you are suddenly talking about?
 
well, i think it was 94 when the friends of the wealthy shut down the gov't when the hillbillies then controlled the house

Wee gee I hate to tell you this, but this isn't 94 .....
 
if the public option were popular the senate with its sixty dems and pelosi's place with her plurality of seventy six woulda passed it

if the mandate were admired mr manchin wouldn't have campaigned against it

if the govt shuts down it will be because the prez vetoed appropriations

grow up

Grow up yourself and learn how to read. The public option was/is supported by a majority of Americans. That fact is not in dispute. The Senate cold not pass the public option because Republicans filibustered it. Another fact that you conveniently overlooked.

Just under 60 percent of those surveyed said they would like a public option as part of any final healthcare reform legislation, which Republicans and a few Democrats oppose.

Here are some of the results of the telephone survey of 2,999 households called from November 9-17 as part of the Thomson Reuters PULSE Healthcare Survey:

* Believe in public option: 59.9 percent yes, 40.1 percent no.

* 86 percent of Democrats support the public option versus 57 percent of Independents and 33 percent of Republicans.

Most in U.S. want public health option: poll | Reuters

A new national survey conducted between April 6th and 10th by researchers from Indiana University’s Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research (CHPPR) finds that while 58% of Americans support repealing the law a majority of those that favor repeal want Congress to pass more liberal legislation that includes a public option:

When asked how important they thought it was for Congress to work on “establishment of a public option that would give individuals a choice between government provided health insurance or private health insurance,” 67 percent of Americans rated this as an important topic to address. This finding is even more striking given the fact that 59 percent of those in favor of repealing the health care reform legislation rated the public option as important to pursue. Another surprise is that 67 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Independents also agreed that the public option was an important topic to be addressed by Congress.

Wonk Room » POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option
 
If the GOP passes legislation that they know for certain Obama will veto (without working with Dems on a true compromise), then yes, I put the blame on the GOP if there is a gov't shutdown over it. Defunding or repealing the health care law is a non-starter. Obama has repeatedly said that he will veto any legislation that guts the law. The GOP knows that. But they passed it anyway. What does that tell you?

That tells me that the dem's are unwilling to Compromise.... and the shut down of the government would be blamed on those that control 2/3 of government. But I understand, the liberal mantra is to always blame someone else.
 
That tells me that payback is a bitch. Obama, Pelosi and Reid should have thought of that before they ignored the GOP when constructing and ramming down our throats the piece of **** called the Healthcare Bill in the first place. Where was that "compromise" you are suddenly talking about?

You mean the health care law that has Republican ideas in it? The one that has the individual mandate, which was a Republican alternative to Hillary Clinton's health care plan in the 90s? The mandate that was based on Mitt Romney's health care plan in MA? That one? The private market-based health care law, as opposed to single payer? Nope, no Republican ideas here folks. Nothing to see. Move along now.
 
Wee gee I hate to tell you this, but this isn't 94 .....

know nothing of history?....newt and his hillbillies shut gov't down in 94....if you goobers wanna try again i predict a similar outcome
 
never in american history, before obamacare, has major reform been foisted on the folks without broad bipartisan support

in 1935 fdr's soc sec act received 84% of house republican assent and 76% of reds in joe robinson's senate

lbj's civil rights act of 64 enjoyed the backing of 82% of everett dirksen's republicans (vs only 69% of dems) and 80% republican support downstairs (63% of dems)

the medicare act of 65 got 51% of republicans in upper parliament and 41% downstairs

Social Security Online - HISTORY: Vote tallies on 1935 law

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Social Security Online

in cantankerous contrast, obamacare was CRAMMED---it got ONE republican vote in both chambers, mr cao's, the vietnamese seminarian from new orleans who was voted OUT on tsunami tuesday

indeed, just 36 hours before it was RECONCILED the party in power was prepared to DEEM the damn thing

LOL!

live it, libs, love it

it's all YOURS
 
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never in american history, before obamacare, has major reform been foisted on the folks without broad bipartisan support

in 1935 fdr's soc sec act received 84% of house republican assent and 76% of reds in joe robinson's senate

lbj's civil rights act of 64 enjoyed the backing of 82% of everett dirksen's republicans (vs only 69% of dems) and 80% republican support downstairs (63% of dems)

the medicare act of 65 got 51% of republicans in upper parliament and 41% downstairs

Social Security Online - HISTORY: Vote tallies on 1935 law

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Social Security Online

in cantankerous, obamacare was CRAMMED---it got ONE republican vote in both chambers, mr cao's, the vietnamese seminarian from new orleans who was voted OUT on tsunami tuesday

indeed, just 36 hours before it was RECONCILED the party in power was prepared to DEEM the damn thing

LOL!

live it, libs, love it

it's all YOURS

simply shows how the wealthy have the gop completely by the balls from snowe to barton
 
know nothing of history?....newt and his hillbillies shut gov't down in 94....if you goobers wanna try again i predict a similar outcome

well it's you idiots that control 2/3 of the government, so if you want to shut it down, go ahead and do it. your predictions mean nothing
 
well put, the gop can pander to its base, but it can't pass legislation

chuckles... well the very same thing can be said for the dem's .... while they are pandering to their base, they also will not pass any legislation, and in the case of the health care bill, not passing anything, simply means no funding for it .. so the out come is the same. "NO FUNDING"
 
Grow up yourself and learn how to read. The public option was/is supported by a majority of Americans. That fact is not in dispute. The Senate cold not pass the public option because Republicans filibustered it. Another fact that you conveniently overlooked.


Here is where you theory is full of holes, when the health care bill was passed, it was passed without a single republican vote in either house.

The fact that their wasn't a public option in there can only be blamed on those that passed the bill. If you have enough power to pass a bill without a single republican vote, then you certainly have enough power to have whatever you want to have in that bill.

If that public option was supported, as you say by the majority of Americans, then the fault that it's not law right now, is a direct result of the democrats and no one else.

I'll repeat this, if you can pass a bill with not a single vote from the opposing party, then you can have whatever you want in that bill, and still pass the bill. Don't run around blaming Republicans because democrats couldn't get the support from their own party to add the public option in.
 
You mean the health care law that has Republican ideas in it? The one that has the individual mandate, which was a Republican alternative to Hillary Clinton's health care plan in the 90s? The mandate that was based on Mitt Romney's health care plan in MA? That one? The private market-based health care law, as opposed to single payer? Nope, no Republican ideas here folks. Nothing to see. Move along now.

You mean the universal mandate that was just one of numerous Republican sponsored bills in the 90's? You mean the universal mandate that was put in a health care plan that was aimed to be a compromise piece of legislation that had hopes of passing in a Democratic controlled government and not simply made up of pure conservative ideas? You mean that universal mandate that was part of a health care plan that was rapidly and completely abandoned by Republicans back in the 90's once actual research into its costs was done and it was found to be wholey impossible to be done responsibly. Y You mean the significantly government mandated and interfering health care long that is nothing close to a free "private" market? You mean the Massachusetts health care law that came about due in large part because the constituents of that state was significantly different than the make up of the country? You mean the one that is one of the main quoted reasons Mitt is likely to have an extremely difficult time in the primaries? You mean that mandate and plan? Is that the one you're speaking of?

Oh, I guess nothing to see. Move along now.
 
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The House can vote all they like. But it won't make it passed the Senate. And even if it does, Obama will veto the bill. Good job, GOP! More time wasting!

All bills originate in the HOUSE, if the Senate wants to freeze all government expenditures its their choice, as the GOP laughs all the way to 2012. They will have to answer to THE PEOPLE for demanding that funds be allocated for a program that has been ruled to be constitutional. Remember....28 out of the 50 states (a majority) have declared this act to be unconstitutional. Regardless of what the COURT does....2012 will be decided by MAJORITY RULE. Its a most difficult thing to go against the majority where all acts of governmental procedure are ruled by the Majority position in this Constitutional Republic, also remember that not one CIVIL or MINORITY right came into existence without support of that same MAJORITY. We are witnessing WE THE PEOPLE say, "ENOUGH".
 
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