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Where's the stimulus?

try this, lib.....in 1980, the richest 1% of americans controlled 8% of the nations weath; in 2008, 24%(!)....thanks to gop and libertatian tax cuts for the privlidged, ALL at the expense of the middle class...and yet you ignoramus' continue to see the POOR as our nations problem....like i say, READ a little more, watch a little tv

The "richest 1%" is a different group of people every year. This permanent group of rich people does not exist in reality for the most part. It's a made-up problem.
 
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Ask all of those Republicans who voted against it and then turned around and accepted stimulus funds. Those socialists!

Of all the stupid lines to come out of the 2010 election contest the one about accepting stimulus funds has to top the cake. Does this mean that people who want to spend less on homeland security should fly on planes that are designated as no inspection flights?

Your analogy is way off. The people who were against the stimulus weren't in favor of a smaller stimulus. They didn't want a stimulus at all. If it were up to them, there would have been no stimulus. So again: Do you think it's upstanding to accept stimulus funds after doing your best to make sure those stimulus funds never existed?

A better analogy would be this: A kid throws a fit and refuses to eat the meat and potatoes his mother cooked for him because he wants pizza and ice cream instead. But then once he sees his sister enjoying dinner, and his stomach starts growling, he decides to eat what was cooked for him. While the kid has the right to eat the meal, he also deserves to be called out for his hypocrisy. "See, little Sally? Little Timmy said those meat and potatoes were the worst thing in existence. That he'd rather die than eat them. Now he's enjoying them. I guess they weren't so bad after all".
 
Your analogy is way off. The people who were against the stimulus weren't in favor of a smaller stimulus. They didn't want a stimulus at all. If it were up to them, there would have been no stimulus. So again: Do you think it's upstanding to accept stimulus funds after doing your best to make sure those stimulus funds never existed?

It's like the argument presented to libertarians. If we're against taxation, should we accept government funds? I say yes, because we still pay taxes, so in effect it is our money, so why can't we take it back?

A better analogy would be this: A kid throws a fit and refuses to eat the meat and potatoes his mother cooked for him because he wants pizza and ice cream instead. But then once he sees his sister enjoying dinner, and his stomach starts growling, he decides to eat what was cooked for him. While the kid has the right to eat the meal, he also deserves to be called out for his hypocrisy. "See, little Sally? Little Timmy said those meat and potatoes were the worst thing in existence. That he'd rather die than eat them. Now he's enjoying them. I guess they weren't so bad after all".

A robber comes into my house and steals all my money. He then gives me a plasma TV that he bought with the money. If I accept it, am I condoning his actions?
 
try this, lib.....in 1980, the richest 1% of americans controlled 8% of the nations weath; in 2008, 24%(!)....thanks to gop and libertatian tax cuts for the privlidged, ALL at the expense of the middle class...and yet you ignoramus' continue to see the POOR as our nations problem....like i say, READ a little more, watch a little tv

Simple concept, babydoll...get rid of the wealthy in the country, or get rid of the parasitic malingerers that have done nothing to prepare themselves to be productive (and Im not talking about the truly needy...the parasites suck the resources from those that truly need them. Which group would the country be better off without?
 
today, monday, the 28th:

Vice President Biden confronted an obvious truth Monday morning as he addressed visiting governors: Not everyone there is crazy about the stimulus.

I know none of you liked the Recovery Act much, but I just want to start off by thanking the governors who've been here for the last two years,” Biden said at the White House, commending them for ensuring that there was little fraud in the thousands of stimulus projects in their states. "That's because of you," he said. "And it's because of the mayors."

Biden noted that "although there’s no Recovery Act" anymore, the White House will still maintain a relationship with states to work on the economy. "The recovery is under way, although I'm sure a lot of you, having to cut your budgets, don’t feel it," he said. "It’s a very difficult time for you all. And I just want you to know that I think we can probably all agree on the major initiatives. We may have a different prioritization, but we all know we have to do something about the long-term debt. We all know that we have to do something about preparing ourselves to compete in the future in terms of education, innovation and infrastructure."

Biden: No governors like stimulus | POLITICO 44

we all agree we have to do something about long term debt, huh, mr biden?

well, since the administration took tax hikes off the table, and since it's committed our troops for the foreseeable in afghanistan, what's left?

are you sure these people know what they're doing?
 
Before someone whines... this was in the NEWS section of CNNMoney.com...

Stimulus bill for economic recovery - what's the holdup? - Feb. 17, 2011

The majority went to GENERAL ELECTRIC to make jobs overseas, with a great deal going to States like Wisconsin (21 billion) to pay these Unions their Bloated Benefits and Salaries. I want to know where are the "Shovel Ready" jobs? The rest, the remainder is in a SLUSH FUND controlled exclusively by the WHITE HOUSE to use as a Campaign Tool in the upcoming election.
http://rutledgecapital.com/2009/06/03/how-much-of-the-stimulus-has-already-been-spent/
 
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yup

it's BIDEN'S opinion

"i know none of you liked the recovery act"

hey, he was talkin to the GOVERNOR'S ASSN, ie, a bunch of POLITICAL PROFESSIONALS

what else could he say?
 
Simple concept, babydoll...get rid of the wealthy in the country, or get rid of the parasitic malingerers that have done nothing to prepare themselves to be productive (and Im not talking about the truly needy...the parasites suck the resources from those that truly need them. Which group would the country be better off without?

Those two groups are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

A great line from the Academy-Award winning film, Inside Job: An engineer builds bridges. A financial engineer builds dreams.
 
How about the crippled and dependent pets get off their ass and start proividing for themselves. How about they get educations, make sacrifices, prepare their children for a future. Oh...two can play thyis mindless class warfare bull**** my friend.

WHy raise taxes on ANYONE when both parties spend money like crack fiends? My position has been pretty clear...pass legislatively mandated spending cuts, gut the fed, and I will full on support legislatively sundowned tax increases specifically to pay off the debt.

You wouldnt be even close to being correct. I left the republican party in 2003 because of their irresponsible spending. So...your mindless partisan bull**** doesnt work with me. I see every day the results of what has happened by increasing the welfare state, by placing people afflicted with nothing more than malingering with mental health labels and then watching their lives dangle...and people on the left call this 'helping'. People like you have contributed to the looming nightmare and your only answer is "give us MORE!!! Tax THEM!!! Hey mom...do we have any more cheetos? Hey...its dark here in the basement...you and dad ever going to put some lights i? Hell its been this way for 42 years! Oh...and I'm finished mom...come wipe my butt!"
Dude be quiet, till you walk in someone else's shoes. Lots of people in that position have disabling medical problems through no fault of their own. I'd like to see when you grow older and start having medical problems too. Then you'll say "Where's my Medicare, where's my Social Security? I want my prescription drug plan that I didn't pay for! Waah, waah, waah!" Social services isn't the reason why the budget isn't balanced, it's because the entitlements for most people are not balanced, defense spending, and debt service. You also seem to neglect mentioning the large prison population that costs way more to take care of than anyone else.
 
Dude be quiet, till you walk in someone else's shoes. Lots of people in that position have disabling medical problems through no fault of their own. I'd like to see when you grow older and start having medical problems too. Then you'll say "Where's my Medicare, where's my Social Security? I want my prescription drug plan that I didn't pay for! Waah, waah, waah!" Social services isn't the reason why the budget isn't balanced, it's because the entitlements for most people are not balanced, defense spending, and debt service. You also seem to neglect mentioning the large prison population that costs way more to take care of than anyone else.

This is me laughing my ass off at you. I deal with this **** daily. I deal with perfectly capable people that have been given excuses their whole life. And you know what the truly PATHETIC thing is? You actually believe that you and people like you are HELPING them by enabling them to remain crippled. Most of these people are in their late teens and twenties...and guess what...they will be in the same boat for the next 30-40 years. They will be given label after label and eventually the social services system will just give up on them, throw drugs at them, and tuck them away in group homes or residential units. They will overdose (sometimes accidentally, some times on purpose, sometimes because they just want to spend a week or two in a secure psych ward) anywhere from 4-20 times a year. You spew mindless rhetoric...Ive been actually working with people to help them out of your cesspool for years.

As for the prison system...again...you spout **** you know nothing about...Ive worked there...at several levels...for years. You MAY find that Im one of the first voices here that believes in massive effective prison reform. So...before you suggest someone 'be(s) quiet' you may want to know a little about that person. Or not...you seem pretty comfortable in your ignorance.

And you dont have to worry about what happens to me when I grow older--that I guarantee. Ive handled my business. Ive taken care fo my family...immediate, short term, and long term.
 
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This is me laughing my ass off at you. I deal with this **** daily. I deal with perfectly capable people that have been given excuses their whole life. And you know what the truly PATHETIC thing is? You actually believe that you and people like you are HELPING them by enabling them to remain crippled. Most of these people are in their late teens and twenties...and guess what...they will be in the same boat for the next 30-40 years. They will be given label after label and eventually the social services system will just give up on them, throw drugs at them, and tuck them away in group homes or residential units. They will overdose (sometimes accidentally, some times on purpose, sometimes because they just want to spend a week or two in a secure psych ward) anywhere from 4-20 times a year. You spew mindless rhetoric...Ive been actually working with people to help them out of your cesspool for years.

As for the prison system...again...you spout **** you know nothing about...Ive worked there...at several levels...for years. You MAY find that Im one of the first voices here that believes in massive effective prison reform. So...before you suggest someone 'be(s) quiet' you may want to know a little about that person. Or not...you seem pretty comfortable in your ignorance.

And you dont have to worry about what happens to me when I grow older--that I guarantee. Ive handled my business. Ive taken care fo my family...immediate, short term, and long term.
Actually, I'm one of the "crippled dependent pets" you so speak of, probably explains why I wasn't happy about the previous posts. And also I do have medical problems, yet I post on political boards and follow politics. I think if someone is healthy and doesn't have any medical problems, they should be able to work, at least part time, and do as much as they can do. If I was healthy, I would probably be happily working and chugging along. I don't know what your qualifications are on this matter, I don't know you other than you know me, other than what we write in our posts. But yeah, that probably explains my position.
 
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Actually, I'm one of the "crippled dependent pets" you so speak of, probably explains why I wasn't happy about the previous posts. And also I do have medical problems, yet I post on political boards and follow politics. I think if someone is healthy and doesn't have any medical problems, they should be able to work, at least part time, and do as much as they can do. If I was healthy, I would probably be happily working and chugging along. I don't know what your qualifications are on this matter, I don't know you other than you know me, other than what we write in our posts. But yeah, that probably explains my position.

If you are legitimately disabled you AREN'T one of those crippled and dependent pets. I have made that pretty clear. There are people that legitimately NEED help. Those crippled and dependent pets are sucking away the resources to the point they aren't available for the truly needy. And yeah...that pisses me off in a lot of ways. I'm pissed for those that need the help and cant get it. I'm pissed when I see people in their 20s that have been told for so long that "oh...you poor dear...its not your fault and this is your life" when in fact it doesn't have to BE that way. Ive also seen MANY people be able to change their lives. I'm saddened by the waste of life. It BOTHERS me to know those people will live the rest of their lives in that misery. I get pissed off precisely BECAUSE Ive seen what CAN be...and the tragedy of what is.
 
If you are legitimately disabled you AREN'T one of those crippled and dependent pets. I have made that pretty clear. There are people that legitimately NEED help. Those crippled and dependent pets are sucking away the resources to the point they aren't available for the truly needy. And yeah...that pisses me off in a lot of ways. I'm pissed for those that need the help and cant get it. I'm pissed when I see people in their 20s that have been told for so long that "oh...you poor dear...its not your fault and this is your life" when in fact it doesn't have to BE that way. Ive also seen MANY people be able to change their lives. I'm saddened by the waste of life. It BOTHERS me to know those people will live the rest of their lives in that misery. I get pissed off precisely BECAUSE Ive seen what CAN be...and the tragedy of what is.
I am a little as you describe, but I think, as I've learned, if someone is healthy, they should have no worries. As soon as I get my medical problems manageable I plan on working. But your position is very eye-opening, enlightening, and I would say correct.
 
I am a little as you describe, but I think, as I've learned, if someone is healthy, they should have no worries. As soon as I get my medical problems manageable I plan on working. But your position is very eye-opening, enlightening, and I would say correct.

I hope for the best for you. I really do. I'm one of those weird conservatives that believe in effective social spending at the state level. Key being effective.
 
I hope for the best for you. I really do. I'm one of those weird conservatives that believe in effective social spending at the state level. Key being effective.
Thanks man, I really appreciate that. I know you're all settled down, but I hope you have a enjoyable and healthy life too.
 
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Where's the stimulus?
Here's a hint.
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For those who don't already know it's "Up in Smoke."
 
our goals have been reached---LOL!
 
our goals have been reached---LOL!

What does that say if Obama ACTUALLY believes this???

OR

What are the implications if he KNOWS that this is not the case and is LYING about recovery?
 
What does that say if Obama ACTUALLY believes this???

OR

What are the implications if he KNOWS that this is not the case and is LYING about recovery?

Either way, the answer is, get him the heck out of office and get someone in, who will do the hard things that will turn this countrys direction around.
 
Government payouts—including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance—make up more than a third of total wages and salaries of the U.S. population, a record figure that will only increase if action isn’t taken before the majority of Baby Boomers enter retirement.

Even as the economy has recovered, social welfare benefits make up 35 percent of wages and salaries this year, up from 21 percent in 2000 and 10 percent in 1960, according to TrimTabs Investment Research using Bureau of Economic Analysis data.

“The U.S. economy has become alarmingly dependent on government stimulus,” said Madeline Schnapp, director of Macroeconomic Research at TrimTabs, in a note to clients. “Consumption supported by wages and salaries is a much stronger foundation for economic growth than consumption based on social welfare benefits.”

The economist gives the country two stark choices. In order to get welfare back to its pre-recession ratio of 26 percent of pay, “either wages and salaries would have to increase $2.3 trillion, or 35 percent, to $8.8 trillion, or social welfare benefits would have to decline $500 billion, or 23 percent, to $1.7 trillion,” she said.

Handouts Make Up 1/3 of Wages

why do so many of you debaters focus so much of your energy on trying to score little points vs each other, why do you so regularly fail to distinguish the large from the small, why do you routinely deny the truth and instead try to look at planet sized developments as spin?

don't you find such petty point scoring vs dp personalities demeaning?

either way, party on

stay up
 
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