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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

whysoserious said:
They get free health care in WI? Are you calling living on a median salary range of $32-60,000 a "golden ticket"?
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That is revealing that they would use a term like that.

I suspect that for many on the far right, any job not in chains is indeed a golden ticket.
 
haymarket said:
You should really run him for President in 2012.
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Put his resume side by side with Obama's. Perhaps he should. Hell, I'm just as qualified as Obama. So are you, I'm certain.
 
Erod said:
Put his resume side by side with Obama's. Perhaps he should. Hell, I'm just as qualified as Obama. So are you, I'm certain.
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Sorry. I am sadly not. I taught Government and American History for 33 years and now work in my local State Legislature as Chief of Staff for a Representative. While I am proud of my career, that does not qualify me in my eyes to be President on the level with Barack Obama. But thanks for the compliment.
 
haymarket said:
Sorry. I am sadly not. I taught Government and American History for 33 years and now work in my local State Legislature as Chief of Staff for a Representative. While I am proud of my career, that does not qualify me in my eyes to be President on the level with Barack Obama. But thanks for the compliment.
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Obama has never run a business. He never served in national government meaningfully (he spent his two years as senator campaigning for President and not showing up for votes). He's never been a Governor, or overseen a budget.

He organized ACORN-like events in south Chicago, and now he's trying to grasp the complexities of a messy world and a messier national budget. And he's so far in over his head, he doesn't have a clue what to do.
 
KeeKee said:
I'm curious did you say the same thing when republicans used every trick in the book to delay the HCR? THey obstructed the vote.
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I did.

In fact, as I read more about the bill being obstructed here, I am opposed to the bill. I side with teh democrats in opposition to it. I vehemently disagree with tehir tactics despite the fact that I agree with their position.

I just firmly oppose the idea that the ends justify the means.
 
Remember in the next election that Democrats are cowards and run and hide. Vote Republican. Wisconsin Democrats show up and cast your vote. If the bill passes it's because in the last election more voters voted for Republicans.
 
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haymarket said:
That is revealing that they would use a term like that.

I suspect that for many on the far right, any job not in chains is indeed a golden ticket.
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But a golden parachute is entirely different eh? :roll:
 
As the State employees fight to keep from paying a paltry 12% of their health care insurance, a little contribution to their retirement and the keeping the holy grail of union benefits – collective/social bargaining – the people of Wisconsin have little or no sympathy for state employees who make $20,000.00 per year more than the average private sector worker, get premium retirements and health care planes for life.

I didn’t expect American government employees to take such a hard stand in the face of so much state debt.

Today Berry’s team is claiming that their involvement is way over stated. When Berry said that the WI governor is just trying to bust the union he wasn’t sticking his nose into state matters – as forbidden by our Constitution. And the fact that his “propaganda .org” people are bussing people to WI was not his idea.

I saw a sign that said “Tax the Rich”. Which means that the left wing unions just don’t care what happens to the economy.
 
Iron River said:
As the State employees fight to keep from paying a paltry 12% of their health care insurance, a little contribution to their retirement and the keeping the holy grail of union benefits – collective/social bargaining – the people of Wisconsin have little or no sympathy for state employees who make $20,000.00 per year more than the average private sector worker, get premium retirements and health care planes for life.

I didn’t expect American government employees to take such a hard stand in the face of so much state debt.

Today Berry’s team is claiming that their involvement is way over stated. When Berry said that the WI governor is just trying to bust the union he wasn’t sticking his nose into state matters – as forbidden by our Constitution. And the fact that his “propaganda .org” people are bussing people to WI was not his idea.

I saw a sign that said “Tax the Rich”. Which means that the left wing unions just don’t care what happens to the economy.
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that's plain bull****. those workers are fighting to keep their collective bargaining rights.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
By punishing the childeren? how noble.
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How are they "punishing the children"? I did not see any pics of teachers molesting or disciplining kids over the last few days on my TV.
 
This doesn't sound unreasonable....

Walker's plan would allow unions representing most public employees to negotiate only for wage increases, not benefits or working conditions. Any wage increase above the Consumer Price Index would have to be approved in a referendum. Unions would face a vote of membership every year to stay formed, and workers could opt out of paying dues.
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For compromise in Wis., 3 GOP senators are needed - Yahoo! News

I love the part that any wage increase abocve the CPI would take taxpayer approval. That sounds very fair to me. The unions need to compromise. I hope the Republicans stand firm. It's why they were put in office with such a resounding mandate.
 
haymarket said:
How are they "punishing the children"? I did not see any pics of teachers molesting or disciplining kids over the last few days on my TV.
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By not showing up to do thier job. :doh


And In my world, molestation is a crime, not a form of discipline. :shrug:
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
By not showing up to do thier job. :doh:
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How is that "punishing the children"? Kids do not go to school on Saturday and Sunday. They do not go to school on many other days of the year also during breaks and vacations. Wisconsin mandates a certain number of days of instruction and the children there will get that amount. No child will be denied one hour of education. There is no "punishment".
 
haymarket said:
How are they "punishing the children"? I did not see any pics of teachers molesting or disciplining kids over the last few days on my TV.
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It just occurred to me, Haymarket...is this how you chose your user name?

The Haymarket affair (also known as the Haymarket massacre or Haymarket riot) was a demonstration and unrest that took place on Tuesday May 4, 1886, at the Haymarket Square[3] in Chicago. It began as a rally in support of striking workers. An unknown person threw a dynamite bomb at police as they dispersed the public meeting. The bomb blast and ensuing gunfire resulted in the deaths of eight police officers, mostly from friendly fire, and an unknown number of civilians.[4][5] In the internationally publicized legal proceedings that followed, eight anarchists were tried for murder. Four men were convicted and executed, and one committed suicide in prison, although the prosecution conceded none of the defendants had thrown the bomb.
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I'm serious...no offense.
 
haymarket said:
How is that "punishing the children"? Kids do not go to school on Saturday and Sunday. They do not go to school on many other days of the year also during breaks and vacations. Wisconsin mandates a certain number of days of instruction and the children there will get that amount. No child will be denied one hour of education. There is no "punishment".
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except the teachers will be paid for days they lied about being sick, the kids summer activities will be cut short or have to be re-arranged, and school itself is disrupted because of this unions selfishness.

I should ammend it to the children and their parents... Parents now have to make plans and pay money for day care, or take off work themselves. If this wasn't punative in nature, the scumbag union wouldn't be doing this.
 
MaggieD said:
It just occurred to me, Haymarket...is this how you chose your user name?



I'm serious...no offense.
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I took my name from the crusade for labor rights in Chicago and the unfortunate event you mentioned is but a small part of it. If you go to Chicago today, there is a memorial to the event. A Jewish/German cemetery in a Chicago suburb also has a monument to the people who died fighting for labor rights.
 
MaggieD said:
This doesn't sound unreasonable....



For compromise in Wis., 3 GOP senators are needed - Yahoo! News

I love the part that any wage increase abocve the CPI would take taxpayer approval. That sounds very fair to me. The unions need to compromise. I hope the Republicans stand firm. It's why they were put in office with such a resounding mandate.
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the union has said they would compromise, it's walker who is rejecting them. he wants to bust the unions, period. that's what this is about. they've agreed to the monetary terms.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
except the teachers will be paid for days they lied about being sick, the kids summer activities will be cut short or have to be re-arranged, and school itself is disrupted because of this unions selfishness.

I should ammend it to the children and their parents... Parents now have to make plans and pay money for day care, or take off work themselves. If this wasn't punative in nature, the scumbag union wouldn't be doing this.
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No they will not. If you look at any contract of a Wisconsin public school teacher you will see that they have a yearly salary which does not change and they must put in the required days. They will put in all those days. It is those days of work they are paid for by contract.

I was involved in four different labor stoppages during my 33 years as a teacher. Once we were out for six weeks. Not one child missed one day of state mandated instruction that year. Nor did any child miss any days of instruction in the other labor stoppages. It merely was a shuffling of days and there are plenty available for that purpose.
 
haymarket said:
No they will not. If you look at any contract of a Wisconsin public school teacher you will see that they have a yearly salary which does not change and they must put in the required days. They will put in all those days. It is those days of work they are paid for by contract.
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I'm sure you can link me to this claim. Teachers get a salary+overtime from what I understand, summer days are considered overtime.

Feel free to prove me wrong with a link to your claim. I am open to admitting such if proof is provided.


I was involved in four different labor stoppages during my 33 years as a teacher. Once we were out for six weeks. Not one child missed one day of state mandated instruction that year. Nor did any child miss any days of instruction in the other labor stoppages. It merely was a shuffling of days and there are plenty available for that purpose.
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I have no desire to talk about you, it never ends well. but 6 weeks? so the kids missed summer and parents were forced to change plans lose money for your little picket parade? :roll:

Really, lets keep it about the issue in general and not your personal life. thanks.
 
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