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Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

Throwing your vote away on a third party is immoral in the same way as refusing to throw the switch and letting two babies get run over in our train hypothetical.

Elections are worthless anyway. See Arrow's Impossibility Theorem.

Well, they didn't. In real life public taxes paid for the roads. You need to stop applying fantasyland politics to the real world.

Didn't but can.

I find this sentence ironic coming from the person who throws away his vote every election. Is the person in the train hypothetical "condoning" the train running somebody over? Of course not. Choosing the lesser of two evils is always the moral choice. Refusing to make a choice, and thereby permitted a greater evil, is the cowardly route. You can claim principle all you like, but you are doing harm in the real world.

Would you vote for Hitler or Stalin? A vote for one is a support of one. The only moral option is neither. If the person who believes in this stuff casts his vote in support of the system, then who will we have to push us in the direction of liberty?

They are not separate problems, they are inextricably linked. Corporatist coercion is the inevitable effect of inertia on a free market, and the ideal minarchist libertarian government would be just enough to counteract corruption of the free market.

Corporate coercion would not exist without government.
 
Didn't but can.

Well are we talking about Libertopia or are we talking about Florida? Make up your mind!

Would you vote for Hitler or Stalin? A vote for one is a support of one. The only moral option is neither.

In that situation, the moral option is active resistance, not "neither." There is always the third option of active resistance. But that isn't what you're talking about. You're talking about throwing away a vote on a third party with no hope of winning and patting yourself on the back like you've accomplished something.

The choice between Republic and Democrat is not such a bad one that active resistance is morally preferable. But even if it was, voting for a third party is foolish and cowardly, and cannot be compared with true resistance to a corrupt government like those of Hitler or Stalin.

Corporate coercion would not exist without government.

False. Government is the levy that holds back the tide of corporate coercion that will inevitably befall any truly free, unregulated market. Corporate coercion is simply the effect of inertia on the free market.
 
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Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama - USATODAY.com



But...but...didn't Obama promise us high speed rail in the SOTU address?

Wisconsin also scrapped theirs. So did Ohio and a number of others....

The Wisconsin project was to be part of an eventual line linking Minneapolis and Chicago. But Walker campaigned on a promise to kill the line, arguing the state would have been responsible for an annual operating cost of $7.5 million that Wisconsin doesn't have.
 
Well are we talking about Libertopia or are we talking about Florida? Make up your mind!

I'm talking about our ultimate goals. Just because they seem impossible doesn't mean you should abandon them. To the Communists, things like Social Security and welfare seemed impossible in the 1800s, but look what their pestering eventually brought about.

In that situation, the moral option is active resistance, not "neither." There is always the third option of active resistance. But that isn't what you're talking about. You're talking about throwing away a vote on a third party with no hope of winning and patting yourself on the back like you've accomplished something.

The choice between Republic and Democrat is not such a bad one that active resistance is morally preferable. But even if it was, voting for a third party is foolish and cowardly, and cannot be compared with true resistance to a corrupt government like those of Hitler or Stalin.

I don't think I ever said I was anything like those who opposed Hitler or Stalin. But how is it cowardly of me to vote for a 3rd party when you're voting for the establishment, in effect giving them a vote of confidence? Say what you will, but that is exactly how they take it.

False. Government is the levy that holds back the tide of corporate coercion that will inevitably befall any truly free, unregulated market. Corporate coercion is simply the effect of inertia on the free market.

Well this should be fun. Tell me what corporate coercion would exist in an anarchist society.
 
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