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So are you advocating the death of abortion doctors? Seriously, many pro-lifers are getting more and more ridiculous by the minute.

No, but I do like a world where pro-choice lives in fear of the immediate and permanent consequences criminal behavior could attract. I like all threats to my family living is said fear, actually.
 
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If it was legal to kill gays would you sit there and utter "but its legal" line or that you wouldn't kill someone who was attempting to kill your gay friends or family? I am sure that you will side step the question by pointing out that its not legal, gays are persons children in the womb are bit or some other thing to avoid answering the question .

Weird...last I recall we were talking about unborn fetuses and not fully developed adults. Nice try, though. Is it really that hard to stay within the topic to prove your point?
 
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No, but I do like a world where pro-choice lives in fear of the immediate and permanent consequences criminal behavior could attract. I like all threats to my family living is said fear, actually.

It's interesting that "pro-life" only applies when you want it to.
 
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Weird...last I recall we were talking about unborn fetuses and not fully developed adults. Nice try, though. Is it really that hard to stay within the topic to prove your point?

Some consider an unborn "fetus" a child and worth protecting.
 
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Some consider an unborn "fetus" a child and worth protecting.

Yes, but you are still comparing a "child" to a fully developed adult.
 
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Yes, but you are still comparing a "child" to a fully developed adult.

In the case of self defense etc does that distinction really matter?
 
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Pro-life does not mean opposed to all killing. It simply means opposed to legalized abortion.

Prolife | Define Prolife at Dictionary.com

opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life

:lol: Now you are willing to get technical, when you don't mind referring to pro-choice people as pro-abortion.
 
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Weird...last I recall we were talking about unborn fetuses and not fully developed adults. Nice try, though. Is it really that hard to stay within the topic to prove your point?

I knew you would chicken out of answering the question.Most abortionist do.
 
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In the case of self defense etc does that distinction really matter?

Actually, quite. We are talking about a very specific issue and fully developed homosexual adults have absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
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I knew you would chicken out.Most abortionist would.

Do you honestly think I care what you think? Seriously, most of you pro-lifers have gone off the deep end with your lunatic philosophy. You are advocating the death of abortion doctors.
 
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Actually, quite. We are talking about a very specific issue and fully developed homosexual adults have absolutely nothing to do with it.

As an example it is the same thing. A life is a life be it child or adult. Murder is murder be it an adult or child.

So as an example it is fitting to get his point across. He did not say it had anything at all to do with the subject matter.
 
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As an example it is the same thing. A life is a life be it child or adult. Murder is murder be it an adult or child.

So as an example it is fitting to get his point across. He did not say it had anything at all to do with the subject matter.

It's interesting that you say this, because he is advocating the death of abortion doctors. I guess a life is only a life when it is in the womb.
 
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Do you honestly think I care what you think? Seriously, most of you pro-lifers have gone off the deep end with your lunatic philosophy. You are advocating the death of abortion doctors.

If was legal to kills gay then I am pretty sure you would be advocating killing those trying to kill gays instead of uttering the 'but its legal' line as though it was some sort defense like you do with monsters who kill babies.
 
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They were always people

As per your standard, nothing is a Natural Person until the law says they're a Legal Person, so as per that standard no, slaves were not.

and the evidence of that fact was never in credible dispute. The Confederates insisted otherwise because they were greedy, lazy scum whose entire economy depended on making other people work for them, but their laws showed that even they acknowledged this claim to be a lie - otherwise there would have been no point in making it a crime to teach slaves to read, and certainly no point in murdering any slave who tried. A fetus, on the other hand, is not even conscious. This is a matter of medical fact borne out by common sense and basic properties of neuronal density - something with a brain the size of a peanut is not a person to any more degree than a sprig is a tree. A grown, conscious dog is more of a person than a fetus.

Wait I think I have a Standard Issue Response for this one...one sec...ahh yes here it is, #17:

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The 'brain activity' argument is irrelevant for 3 reasons:
1. You will note that the legal definition of "person" contains no reference of brain activity. The reason being that the 'brain activity' argument is a Secular Humanist perversion of "Cogito, ergo sum", is purely theological in nature and therefore has no place in Posative Law.
2. Main stream Pro-Choice makes no argument that as soon as brain activity is evident in the ZEF, that the ZEF is then a "person" under the law, and therefore Roe-v-Wade Section 9a makes all elective abortion "murder" under the law.
3. As demonstrated by Obama, it can not only have brain activity, but be born and surviving completely outside-of and detached-from the mother and still not be seen as a "person".
Therefore, we can conclude that the 'brain activity' argument is disingenuous if not a violation of the 1st amendment. Pro-Choice is assuming the false premise that they would ban abortion were there religious requirement of brain activity present.

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You are not, however, charged with murder if you kill a police dog, because - whatever the wisdom of this view - a dog is deemed to be less of a person than a human being.

You are, however, charged with "murder" if you kill the unborn.

I don't wish to understate the difficulty of such distinctions, but there is no difficulty at all - none at all - in saying that a fetus is not a person. A mouse is more self-aware than a fetus. Tell me you even hesitate to kill a mouse, and I'll take your position more seriously.

Well sure but the whole brain activity argument is bunk anyway because "child" is a social construct, not a medical construct. Oil and water.

Corporations have no such rights, regardless of what absurd privileges the conservatives on the Supreme Court have chosen to invent for their overlords.

At least now we have clarity that you don't care what SCOTUS has to say, which pretty much blows any credibility you may have otherwise had right out.

The SD law is absurd, but I recognize its logic: Deadly force to prevent a crime against property. That cannot be used as a rationale for killing abortion doctors, because the "property" in question belongs to the women obtaining abortions.

The only people bringing up the killing of abortion doctors are pro-choice. You are the ones acting all paranoid.

But only things that actually belong to you. A part of a woman's body does not belong to other people, and certainly not the state of South Dakota.

Someone els's child, or hell even pet or car, doesn't have to be my personal property for me to protect it.
 
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If was legal to kills gay then I am pretty sure you would be advocating killing those trying to kill gays instead of uttering the 'but its legal' line as though it was some sort defense like you do with monsters who kill babies.

Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. I'm not buying your bull**** argument, so you can quit repeating it as if that gives it levity.
 
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Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. I'm not buying your bull**** argument, so you can quit repeating it as if that gives it levity.

I see you are still chickening out instead of having the balls to answer the question.
 
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It's interesting that you say this, because he is advocating the death of abortion doctors. I guess a life is only a life when it is in the womb.

Irrelevant to my point.

I did not make any statement either for or against one way or the other.

He pointed out a flaw in your statement, and it is dead on. Simply stating it is illegal, is nothing but a fallacy or appeal to popularism.
 
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I see you are still chickening out instead of having the balls to answer the question.

I see you still think your argument is legitimate.
 
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Abortionist fear the law because it treats a child in the womb as a person.

No, the fear the law because it could get them killed.

You were attempting to call me a hypocrite because of some half ass assumption of yours that all anti-illegal immigration go what about the rule of law.

Yes, I made an assumption that many that argue immigration care about the rule of law. Its clear you don't, thanks for clarifying.

If your were being honest you would know that the law is not always right and that it is idiotic to sit there and say that you should always obey the law even if you are a the person being royally ****ed by it like a slave for example in a society where slavery is legal.

You're right, the law isn't always right. And I've got no problem with non-violent protests of it, or legal attempts to change the law, or even violent action if someone feels its necessary as long as they are willing to accept the concesquences of their OWN wrongful act.

What I don't agree with is LEGALIZING something that is wrong to do as a solution to something that is wrong to do. I don't believe in two wrongs making a right.

Why a state issue? Should murder, rape and other crimes be a state issue instead of illegal all across the country?

Because this issue is not nearly as clear cut as murder, rape, or various other crimes. It is not a clear, unquestionable way to declare whether or not a fetus/baby is unquestionably factually a living human being or not, its completely a matter of ones own definition, view, and belief structure leading to an answer. Similarly, those other issues don't have a case where the potential victim is living in a symbiotic relationship within another person. The issue is far, far more nuanced and as such I don't believe constitutionally it is something that the federal government should be enforcing upon people.
 
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Irrelevant to my point.

I did not make any statement either for or against one way or the other.

Your point was invalid. You are comparing a ****ing legal medical procedure to a child in development to the murdering of a fully grown adult. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that is?
 
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Some consider an unborn "fetus" a child and worth protecting.

However constitutionally, at this point in time, the law doesn't.

Until that changes, we should not be passing laws that allow people to kill abortion doctors for performing a legal procedure.
 
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I see you still think your argument is legitimate.

Your refusal to answer the question reveals that you don't give two ****s about the legality of it and therefore would do the same thing that a handful of pro-lifers are doing if it became legal to kill gays. Having read abortion threads you abortionists don't give two ****s about the legality of abortion either. So sitting there but its legal is a completely dishonest tactic.
 
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Your point was invalid. You are comparing a ****ing legal medical procedure to a child in development to the murdering of a fully grown adult. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that is?

And there it is again. Your "it's legal" is not a valid argument. You are also trying to ignore the fact allot of people consider the baby as worthy of protection. So a child say 8 months along, still in development is not worthy of protection under the law? Do you not see how ridicules your argument is?

Again it is nothing but a fallacy based on popularism. It is legal therefor it is right does not cut it in the area of debate. Considering the amount of overturned laws, this should be a well known fact.
 
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