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Defector 'Curveball' admits he lied about Iraqi WMD

Boo Radley said:
Some are written by those with first hand knowledge, but you're really just trying to excuse it away. We really do have the information. It isn't that big a sercret.
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You mean the book by the sniveling little ingrate Scott McClellan? What does he know?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Or you can look at it as the changing times we live in are dangerous, and there are enemies of the US that would love to do us harm. This isn't about "team's" as you put it, and even if it were we are all American's are we not? Maybe the lesson we need to learn from this is that before sending in forces in today's doctrine which doesn't necessarily need a declaration of war for any President to do, and hasn't since Korea, that we need to return to that absolute.

j-mac
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There's always been eneimies, and very evil governments have always used that as an excuse to do very evil things. We should not be too quick to accept that as an excuse. And yes, we do need to return to that absolute. There was a reason it was put into the constitution. War is serious business, and not something any democracy should enter into easily. The reasons have to be grave, serious, and where no other options short of surrender exist. You cannot sustain this type of imperialism in a democracy. Never could.
 
j-mac said:
You mean the book by the sniveling little ingrate Scott McClellan? What does he know?


j-mac
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See what I mean, even if that was the only one I meant, you make an excuse. There is always something wrong with the insider. That makes it easier to excuse away the facts.
 
This man needs to be killed ASAP. The bastard, along with the low-life thugs in the Bush Administration, are responsible for this disastrous war.
 
Boo Radley said:
See what I mean, even if that was the only one I meant, you make an excuse. There is always something wrong with the insider. That makes it easier to excuse away the facts.
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So it is....Ok, maybe you'll take Kathleen Parker's opinion before mine, that's fine...Here have a listen, it's short.




j-mac
 
Mr. Invisible said:
This man needs to be killed ASAP. The bastard, along with the low-life thugs in the Bush Administration, are responsible for this disastrous war.
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Oh please - oppose a war by killing it's former decision makers.

Sure - that'll really send a message that killing and torture is bad.
 
j-mac said:
You mean the book by the sniveling little ingrate Scott McClellan? What does he know?


j-mac
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How about folks such as Richard Clarke, one of our nation's foremost experts on counter-terrorism who not only was a Washington insider but a devout Conservative until he was how the intel was being manipulated by the Bush/Cheney Administration? Or what about Collin Powell's assessment on the matter? Two very highly respected men from our intelligence and military who bravely stepped forward to tell the truth but have since been defamed by their own party leaders.

We can play the Democrat/Republican game all day, but the truth is the truth! The WMDs weren't there; the call to war was unjustified. EVERYTHING we were told leading up to it was a lie and we have the #1 source who provided the misleading information telling us so. And yet you guys are not only still defending former Pres. G. W. Bush and his war hungry VP on this matter, but you're working desparately to enject partisan politics into it. Amazing! Absolutely amazing!!
 
Objective Voice said:
How about folks such as Richard Clarke, one of our nation's foremost experts on counter-terrorism who not only was a Washington insider but a devout Conservative until he was how the intel was being manipulated by the Bush/Cheney Administration? Or what about Collin Powell's assessment on the matter? Two very highly respected men from our intelligence and military who bravely stepped forward to tell the truth but have since been defamed by their own party leaders.

We can play the Democrat/Republican game all day, but the truth is the truth! The WMDs weren't there; the call to war was unjustified. EVERYTHING we were told leading up to it was a lie and we have the #1 source who provided the misleading information telling us so. And yet you guys are not only still defending former Pres. G. W. Bush and his war hungry VP on this matter, but you're working desparately to enject partisan politics into it. Amazing! Absolutely amazing!!
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Not at all, but I am saying if you look from the first time I posted on this thread, the timing of this is to distract, and, or keep the divisions going. So I question it.

You can't turn back time, all we can do is move forward.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
So it is....Ok, maybe you'll take Kathleen Parker's opinion before mine, that's fine...Here have a listen, it's short.




j-mac
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No, I won't take someone's word for it. I will never be about someone's word. There is overwhelming evidence by all kinds of insiders. Constantly finding excuses for ignoring them simply won't change the facts.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, I won't take someone's word for it. I will never be about someone's word. There is overwhelming evidence by all kinds of insiders. Constantly finding excuses for ignoring them simply won't change the facts.
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Come on old friend, at least listen to the clip.


j-mac
 
Objective Voice said:
How about folks such as Richard Clarke, one of our nation's foremost experts on counter-terrorism who not only was a Washington insider but a devout Conservative until he was how the intel was being manipulated by the Bush/Cheney Administration? Or what about Collin Powell's assessment on the matter? Two very highly respected men from our intelligence and military who bravely stepped forward to tell the truth but have since been defamed by their own party leaders.

We can play the Democrat/Republican game all day, but the truth is the truth! The WMDs weren't there; the call to war was unjustified. EVERYTHING we were told leading up to it was a lie and we have the #1 source who provided the misleading information telling us so. And yet you guys are not only still defending former Pres. G. W. Bush and his war hungry VP on this matter, but you're working desparately to enject partisan politics into it. Amazing! Absolutely amazing!!
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That's crap. Just as soon as things started looking bad in Iraq, the rats started jumping ship to save their own asses.
 
j-mac said:
Come on old friend, at least listen to the clip.


j-mac
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I listened, and I have not changed my mind. Nothing said changes anything. He and others have spoke up, and there is no way around that. You can't excuse it away. It is not about whether you like someone or not; it is about overwhelming evidence.
 
Boo Radley said:
I listened, and I have not changed my mind. Nothing said changes anything. He and others have spoke up, and there is no way around that. You can't excuse it away. It is not about whether you like someone or not; it is about overwhelming evidence.
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fingers firmly planted in ears eh Joe....heh, heh....

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
fingers firmly planted in ears eh Joe....heh, heh....

j-mac
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No. But it doesn't matter. This person basicly says he's a bad person for not reporting it earlier. This doesn't make it false. Nor is it just one person. It has been many people, over and over again. To ignore all of it, it is your side who has their fingers in their ears my friend.
 
Boo Radley said:
Much like you and your side ignore the other facts. Odd how that works. :coffeepap
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Again a handful of naysayers doesn't prove anything. Its like saying the Truffers or birthers are right because they got a few so called experts. PLus they did find WMDs, there are wikileaks that say they found WMDs. You are just riding all over the Bush basher bandwagon trying to hang onto your little anti-Bush conspiracy theories along with the Eurotrash who hate Bush. Considering the other lies you people told its amazing you people can sit there with a straight face and laugh at birthers and truffers.

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It's more than that james. More than a handful, and there is specific evidence of expressed doubts not reflected in Bush's statements. He knew, had to know, the intel he was using wasn't valid. It is too much to believe otherwise.
 
Why hasn't Colin Powell been charged with war crimes?

He is the one who tried to get support for invasion from the UN by laying out the case that Iraq had WMD. With all his experience in government and the military, he had to have known. Shouldn't he be held responsible for his lies?

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Boo Radley said:
It's more than that james. More than a handful, and there is specific evidence of expressed doubts not reflected in Bush's statements. He knew, had to know, the intel he was using wasn't valid. It is too much to believe otherwise.
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that's simply your OPINION, you have yet to provide any evidence to prove it.
 
TOJ said:
Why hasn't Colin Powell been charged with war crimes?
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simple...he's not Bush. this whole thing is all about bashing/getting Bush. nothing more, nothing less.

It's a bedwetting, bush bashing witch hunt.
 
OscarB63 said:
that's simply your OPINION, you have yet to provide any evidence to prove it.
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I don't know. Don't we ahve evidence he was informed? I think that was linked earlier. Are you suggesting he wasn't capable of understanding? Really, I'm not sure opinion enters into this. If someone tells me this guy can't be trusted, and I have no reason to trust the person, can I really present the doubted evidence as if it were not doubted? Would you consider it an opinion thing if it were me?
 
TOJ said:
Why hasn't Colin Powell been charged with war crimes?

He is the one who tried to get support for invasion from the UN by laying out the case that Iraq had WMD. With all his experience in government and the military, he had to have known. Shouldn't he be held responsible for his lies?

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He was the mouth piece, the one choosen to present what he was given. I think he's still angery about it. Not the same as being the decider who choose to use such as evidence, knowing the porblems with the evidence.
 
Boo Radley said:
He was the mouth piece, the one choosen to present what he was given. I think he's still angery about it. Not the same as being the decider who choose to use such as evidence, knowing the porblems with the evidence.
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I thought Powell was supposed to be an honorable man. I guess, if he let himself be used as a mouth piece to lie about something so significant, maybe he is just another scumbag.

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TOJ said:
I thought Powell was supposed to be an honorable man. I guess, if he let himself be used as a mouth piece to lie about something so significant, maybe he is just another scumbag.

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I think he is (honourable, that is). This just about killed him, according to inside sources. This is why he didn't serve a second term.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Oh please - oppose a war by killing it's former decision makers.

Sure - that'll really send a message that killing and torture is bad.
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Congratulations on not reading!

Try again next time!
 
TOJ said:
I thought Powell was supposed to be an honorable man. I guess, if he let himself be used as a mouth piece to lie about something so significant, maybe he is just another scumbag.

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Actually here's what happened. The CIA got the crappy intel and gave it to Powell, who wasn't told that it was crappy. He even asked George Tenet, head of the CIA at that time, to double-check the intel and Tenet responded that it was a "slam-dunk." Thus Powell went out to the UN with what he thought was legit intelligence, but instead ended up having a fool made of him. He was not the man who got the intel, rather just the messenger.

Source: Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner
 
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