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Silvio Berlusconi To Stand Trial

jamesrage said:
He is not in trouble for having sex with someone under 18 years of age. What he is in trouble for is the fact he paid that person under the age of 18 for sex.



So if he never paid her or waited until she was 18 before paying her he would not be in hot water.
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Fair enough. You're correct. It's kind of what I meant. A prostitute under 18 is the problem.
 
Andalublue said:
...and the populist, and the anti-immigrationists. The real problem in Italy is that the opposition is completely fractured. They can't agree on the opening of a bag of chips, so Berlusconi with his tough man, almost Mussolini-esque populism remains the country's most popular politician.
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an embarassment to my favorite country.....back to an ignorant jackass
 
j-mac said:
Wow dude....I know your monikor says "very liberal" but do you really have such disdain for those opposed to your idealogy that you denegrate them to such hights? Out to make friends are we?


j-mac
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so......bidness men and hillbilliys didn't lead to the gop triumph of 10?
 
diablo45 said:
so......bidness men and hillbilliys didn't lead to the gop triumph of 10?
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That...

Or voter frustration at the lack of economic results produced by the democrats amongst other things...

Just a thought.
 
Andalublue said:
...and the populist, and the anti-immigrationists. The real problem in Italy is that the opposition is completely fractured. They can't agree on the opening of a bag of chips, so Berlusconi with his tough man, almost Mussolini-esque populism remains the country's most popular politician.
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nice analysis, alas, italia
 
Jetboogieman said:
That...

Or voter frustration at the lack of economic results produced by the democrats amongst other things...

Just a thought.
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what could do obams do after the catastrophe of 08?...think he did pretty good
 
Good for the Italians, at least somebody still respects rule of law. If only Americans had the same courage to put people like Bush on trial for their crimes.
 
diablo45 said:
what could do obams do after the catastrophe of 08?...think he did pretty good
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That's debatable, he stabilised things, but perhaps there are things he could have done better. He was better then the alternative that I will say.
 
Jetboogieman said:
That's debatable, he stabilised things, but perhaps there are things he could have done better. He was better then the alternative that I will say.
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he would have things more if not for the family of "no" (the gop) and their determination to shield the privledged
 
diablo45 said:
he would have things more if not for the family of "no" (the gop) and their determination to shield the privledged
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Your emotionality about the subject is obvious, but it's a little more complex then that.

To be absolutely fair, Obama did get his stimulus and Health Care passed which was meant to help along with financial regulation. I fail to see what Republicans blocked that would have fixed everything magically, much as I think they blocked many things that they did for the sake of it.
 
I'm kind of surprised that he's being criminally prosecuted while still in office. Then again, I'm not the most proficient legal mind when it comes to global governmental issues, but I thought a country's president had to be impeached or otherwise be removed from office before criminal charges could be levied. Apparently that's not true, but to those who are proficient in matters of Italian law, if he is convicted is he automatically removed from office?
 
Jetboogieman said:
To compare Clinton to Berlusconi is quite a fallacy my friend.
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I agree-he's a horn dog with better taste in women-er girls-than Clinton

back in the good old days our leaders were the pride of the world-Kennedy not only had the best looking first lady in history he also was getting some world class tail in Marilyn Monroe

fast forward 30 years later and look at America's decline

a first lady with the legs of the Budweiser Draft team and mistresses that would gag a buzzard
 
DiAnna said:
I'm kind of surprised that he's being criminally prosecuted while still in office. Then again, I'm not the most proficient legal mind when it comes to global governmental issues, but I thought a country's president had to be impeached or otherwise be removed from office before criminal charges could be levied. Apparently that's not true, but to those who are proficient in matters of Italian law, if he is convicted is he automatically removed from office?
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I would imagine being who he is, if he's found guilty, he'll be removed from office, but his sentence commuted.

But something tells me he'll be out of office before this happens.

If I was Italian, I'd want him gone yesterday.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I would imagine being who he is, if he's found guilty, he'll be removed from office, but his sentence commuted.

But something tells me he'll be out of office before this happens.

If I was Italian, I'd want him gone yesterday.
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Thanks! I've not read anything good about the guy, but the Italians keep electing him. Maybe his friend Mubarak gave him some helpful re-election tips! lol
 
Jetboogieman said:
Clinton got a BJ... terrible thing I know. He didn't possibly have sex with an underage girl and pay for it.

I think you're comparison once again is a little off here J-Mac.
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:prof Under Italian law, there would't've been a problem if he didn't pay her, the age of consent is 14, but you have to be over 18 to be a prostitute.
 
spud_meister said:
:prof Under Italian law, there would't've been a problem if he didn't pay her, the age of consent is 14, but you have to be over 18 to be a prostitute.
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So you're telling me, that technically because she's not 18, that means even if he did pay her he can't be prosecuted for solicitation?

My brain is collapsing in on itself!
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you're telling me, that technically because she's not 18, that means even if he did pay her he can't be prosecuted for solicitation?

My brain is collapsing in on itself!
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No, he can be prosectued for paying an under 18 to have sex with him, but as she was over 14, it's incorrect to refer to her a underage.
 
spud_meister said:
No, he can be prosectued for paying an under 18 to have sex with him, but as she was over 14, it's incorrect to refer to her a underage.
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Ah okay.

That makes sense now.

Thanks for the Italian Law Lesson Spud. Perhaps you could also be more helpful in Answering DIannas question.
 
spud_meister said:
What was her question?
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DiAnna said:
I'm kind of surprised that he's being criminally prosecuted while still in office. Then again, I'm not the most proficient legal mind when it comes to global governmental issues, but I thought a country's president had to be impeached or otherwise be removed from office before criminal charges could be levied. Apparently that's not true, but to those who are proficient in matters of Italian law, if he is convicted is he automatically removed from office?
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10 characters.
 
Jetboogieman said:
10 characters.
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Well, he's not the president, but the prime minister, thus the head of government, but not of state (this is why parlimentary systems are better), and from what I've read, he can be prosecuted while in office, but can't be removed from office until the charge is proven, and only if the charge leads to jail time (I think, from my reading of their contitution). Though the parliment can go for a vote of no confidence if they feel like it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
To compare Clinton to Berlusconi is quite a fallacy my friend.
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You are close to right Clinton got his Lewinsky job in a closet, Monica is older, over weight, not as pretty and, gives it away.

Other than that and the lack of cigar in this story it's really the same thing.
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spud_meister said:
Well, he's not the president, but the prime minister, thus the head of government, but not of state (this is why parlimentary systems are better), and from what I've read, he can be prosecuted while in office, but can't be removed from office until the charge is proven, and only if the charge leads to jail time (I think, from my reading of their contitution). Though the parliment can go for a vote of no confidence if they feel like it.
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He can be prosecuted while in office only because the law he put in place banning this, was struck down by the Italian Supreme Court. The last vote of non confidence he won by 2 votes.... the next he might very well loose.
 
j-mac said:
the comparison is valid.
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Equating Clinton's consensual infidelity with an adult woman to statutory rape sex with a teenager and prostitution is just another example of whacked-out conservative moral perversity. I don't pretend to know either Bill Clinton or Silvio Berlusconi personally - I suppose, based on your comment, that you think you do - but based entirely on their political careers, I would much rather be associated with the former than the latter. Because morality is in how you treat people, not how closely you adhere to the sermons of a fundie televangelist. Conservatives need to figure that out.
 
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Troubadour said:
Equating Clinton's consensual infidelity with an adult woman to statutory rape and prostitution is just another example of whacked-out conservative moral perversity.
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It wasn't stuatory rape, the age of consent is 14.
 
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