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Obama's FY 2012 Budget

The Prof said:
even roger simon's journolisters aren't buying it

Familiar ring to Obama's budget cuts - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

the plastic prez promised the same phony cuts last year

and the year before

or so they say

what a joke

the nation is sinking and its elected leader of hope and change PUNTS

he disses his own debt commission, his lily-livered fallback for two years

we're seeing far more leadership outta the house and even THE SENATE these days

embarrassed yet?

you will be

huffpo, wapo, the nyt and the national journal already are---did you read the op eds concerning his budget?

party on
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yeah "leadership" out the house ...."lets pass some bills that allow the rich to get richer and the middle class have to eat more dirt".....gop all the WAy
 
progressive pissiness ups gop prospects in upper parliament

Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

conrad, tester, nelson, nelson, mccaskill, bingaman, webb, casey, brown of ohio, manchin, kohl, klobuchar, stabenow, cantwell...

we only need 4

good luck holding on to dakota, montana, nebraska, virginia, florida, missouri, wisconsin...

in times like these, americans want adults in charge

not angry adolescents spewing class warfare

party on, punks and pubescents
 
diablo45 said:
yeah "leadership" out the house ...."lets pass some bills that allow the rich to get richer and the middle class have to eat more dirt".....gop all the WAy
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Clearly you are with the administartion and Bernanke on this. Let's inflate food and energy to devalue our debt. Who gets hurt the worst with this inflation the rich or poor?

Think about that and get back to me.
 
whysoserious said:
So we are in agreement that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security need to remain untouched and should be off the block since they have their own system of funding and are not causing the deficit to rise. There's a start.
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That's incorrect. The long-term fiscal imbalances associated with those programs are key drivers of the nation's structural (non-cyclical) fiscal challenges. Social Security's issues is a relatively straight-forward actuarial exercise. Medicare's and Medicaid's issues are far more complex and they will require fundamental health care reform that addresses the excessive cost growth problem that plagues the nation's health care system.

For more details on the issues related to these programs, one can refer to the CBO's most recent long-term budget outlook: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11579/06-30-LTBO.pdf
 
Ockham said:
It's a way to identify people still have access. What's weak is your constant insistance that two different things are one thing. You wrong. I've proven you wrong since the first reply. Pick up a dictionary and prove it to yourself.
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As I said, self professions are meaningless.

You can find a dictionary definition here:

Access | Define Access at Dictionary.com

Here's some reading for you that discuss access probelms with health care:

The Problem - Lack of Access to Health Care

The Problem - Lack of Access to Health Care

Study Finds 56M Lack Access To Basic Health Care

Study Finds 56M Lack Access To Basic Health Care

The Year in Review --Ob/Gyn & Women's Health: Lack of Access to Healthcare -- Poverty and Racial Disparity in the United States

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/496841_15

A Deadly Lack of Access to Healthcare

A Deadly Lack of Access to Healthcare | Change.org News

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/30/2/247

Rural health in the United States - Google Books

Access to Health Care

Not to mention:


Thu, Feb 17 2011
Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance

(Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | Reuters

So, no, you have it wrong. And it isn't just me saying so, but any search should show you your error. But, I tried to get you to address the issue by saying call it what you want, the problem is there regardless. You know, a rose by any other name, or in this case, a problem by any other name. That you choose to ignore the issue and play gamse speaks to you and little more.
 
Refer to post #271

Here's some info:
Single Payer Actual Culprit in Arizona Organ Transplant Rationing » Secondhand Smoke | A First Things Blog

Health care access via free clinics (Medical, Dental, Optical) even when the individuals cannot afford to obtain Health Insurance.

Free Medical Clinics, Free Dental Clinics, Free Medical Help All over USA

The National Association of Free Clinics

HRSA - Find a Health Center - Search Page


Health Insurance for the Poor or Uninsured
Health Insurance for the Unemployed

New Data on Health Insurance, the Working Poor, and the Benefits ofHealth Care Tax Changes | The Heritage Foundation

Low Income Health Insurance

As I already stated, 100% of all American's have access to insurance. Whether they can pay for said insurance is a different issue. Those who are working poor or are low income have health insurance they can get, as my links show. Uninsured American's have access to Health care via the local Hospital Emergency Room, Free Clinics, or Charitable health care provided through Churches or religious / private funded hospitals.

Not only are you WRONG, your ignorance on this topic is astounding. There's a reason your nonsense has up until recently been ignored by me, that's because you cannot hold an adult conversation or be honest in your debate. The games, my friend, are yours. Keep making up meanings that fit your ideology and view point - I find them entertaining as hell and an example of how far a person will go to bend reality to their own.

Now go pester someone else, or come back for more. Either way is fine by me. :2wave:
 
Can't pay for, you don't have access. Nothing you link changes that. BTW, have you even been in a big city free clinic? Might want to visit one sometime. And no, ER's free clinics, charity, all are inadequate and not equal to adequate access. And some don't really have those.
 
Boo Radley said:
Can't pay for, you don't have access.
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100% have access. I've proved that multiple times, you just refuse to accept it.
Boo Radley said:
Nothing you link changes that.
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It all is provided for you, you only need to put aside your prejudice.

Boo Radley said:
BTW, have you even been in a big city free clinic? Might want to visit one sometime. And no, ER's free clinics, charity, all are inadequate and not equal to adequate access. And some don't really have those.
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Sure, NY Walk in Clinic on 125st. What's inadequate about them? And access is provided to anyone who wants to walk in.
 
Boo Radley said:
Can't pay for, you don't have access. Nothing you link changes that. BTW, have you even been in a big city free clinic? Might want to visit one sometime. And no, ER's free clinics, charity, all are inadequate and not equal to adequate access. And some don't really have those.
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First you claim there is no healthcare for those that can't pay, then in the next sentence ask if they've been to a free clinic.

Which is it ??
 
Ockham said:
100% have access. I've proved that multiple times, you just refuse to accept it. It all is provided for you, you only need to put aside your prejudice.
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No, they don't and you ahven't. I've given rebuttal links. The problem of access continues. ERs and Free clincs don't do everything. Many go without many needed cares. They don't have access.

Sure, NY Walk in Clinic on 125st. What's inadequate about them? And access is provided to anyone who wants to walk in.
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If you have to ask, I don't believe you've been in one.

The safety net for Michigan’s uninsured population with diabetes and mental illness is weak.

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For instance, in a particularly troubled community (5), the only clinic that reported access to specialty services has a formal affiliation with the community’s main health system. We found similar examples in communities 1 and 3. The interviews suggested that clinics without either formal referral systems (such as through a CHP or affiliations with local health systems) depend solely on volunteerism.

Community Responses to Diabetes and Mental Health Care for the Uninsured Population in Michigan

New Analysis Indicates Community Health Centers Lack Resources To Provide Poor And Rural Communities With Much Needed Vision Care Services

New Analysis Indicates Community Health Centers Lack Resources To Provide Poor And Rural Communities With Much Needed Vision Care Services

Although community health centers and public hospitals are the most visible safety-net providers, physicians in private practice are the main source of care for the uninsured and Medicaid enrollees. Yet the number of these physicians providing free care is declining, even as the need for their services increases.

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Struggle financially. Many volunteer programs are in a precarious financial position, relying on community resources such as United Way, hospitals, faith-based organizations, and individual contributions to keep them alive. In our survey, staff members of free clinics and referral networks noted, though, that businesses and hospitals sometimes contribute little financially to the volunteer organizations whose free medical services save them money.

Is There A (Volunteer) Doctor In The House? Free Clinics And Volunteer Physician Referral Networks In The United States




You might also read:

Free clinic exposes health care crisis in Los Angeles
 
Gill said:
First you claim there is no healthcare for those that can't pay, then in the next sentence ask if they've been to a free clinic.

Which is it ??
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I think it is that you guys live in a world of absolutes. The world isn't that way. Most often I use the words adequate access. Sometimes I think that gets lost.

Free clinics vary from place to palce, and some are better than others. Some struggle much more, but all have limitations. And they are not everywhere. We have an access problem in this country. That's the point.
 
Boo Radley said:
I think it is that you guys live in a world of absolutes. The world isn't that way. Most often I use the words adequate access. Sometimes I think that gets lost.

Free clinics vary from place to palce, and some are better than others. Some struggle much more, but all have limitations. And they are not everywhere. We have an access problem in this country. That's the point.
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BS. Anyone in this county can get routine health care at free clinics. More serious problems are taken care of at thousands of hospitals that accept patients with no insurance and no means to pay.

Every county in this country has a free clinic. The problem is that people don't like to wait for their turn at the free clinics. Tough. My wife went to the doc this week and had an appointment for 2:45. She saw the doctor at 4:30 and we have very good insurance. Waiting to see a doctor is a fact of life.
 
Gill said:
BS. Anyone in this county can get routine health care at free clinics. More serious problems are taken care of at thousands of hospitals that accept patients with no insurance and no means to pay.

Every county in this country has a free clinic. The problem is that people don't like to wait for their turn at the free clinics. Tough. My wife went to the doc this week and had an appointment for 2:45. She saw the doctor at 4:30 and we have very good insurance. Waiting to see a doctor is a fact of life.
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I'm afraid there is evidence to the contrary and I have presented some of that evidence.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm afraid there is evidence to the contrary and I have presented some of that evidence.
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No, you presented evidence from biased sources. There are 8 free clinics within 25 miles of me right now.
 
Ockham said:
Sure, NY Walk in Clinic on 125st. What's inadequate about them? And access is provided to anyone who wants to walk in.
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Yeah, but it's on 125th :3
I mean, I kind of like living.
 
Gill said:
BS. Anyone in this county can get routine health care at free clinics. More serious problems are taken care of at thousands of hospitals that accept patients with no insurance and no means to pay.

Every county in this country has a free clinic. The problem is that people don't like to wait for their turn at the free clinics. Tough. My wife went to the doc this week and had an appointment for 2:45. She saw the doctor at 4:30 and we have very good insurance. Waiting to see a doctor is a fact of life.
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You must be on crack if you think anyone can get health care. They can go to free clinics for small issues and they can go to emergency rooms for major issues, but they are still screwed when it comes to medication and treatment. Hospitals aren't in the practice of giving away free heart transplants to people with no insurance.
 
whysoserious said:
You must be on crack if you think anyone can get health care. They can go to free clinics for small issues and they can go to emergency rooms for major issues, but they are still screwed when it comes to medication and treatment. Hospitals aren't in the practice of giving away free heart transplants to people with no insurance.
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Crack??? No, but I know how to find information when I need to. For instance, since I'm from Memphis originally, I know about an organization called the National Foundation for Transplants. They've been around since 1983 and their sole mission is to help people get needed organ transplants when they can't afford it. They pay for 100% of the transplant costs.

Seems to me that many people would rather bitch and complain instead of getting off their asses and finding what resources are available that might help them. Of course, getting free stuff from the government is much easier.

Any more questions ??
 
whysoserious said:
You must be on crack if you think anyone can get health care. They can go to free clinics for small issues and they can go to emergency rooms for major issues, but they are still screwed when it comes to medication and treatment. Hospitals aren't in the practice of giving away free heart transplants to people with no insurance.
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The illnesses we're talking about are quite extensive:
New York Sinus Treatment| Sore Throat Treatment| Nasal Congestion Treatment Manhattan

We're not talking about heart transplants, but since you brought it up, no you won't get that at a free clinic, you will be referred to a hospital and if the person is lucky enough to get on a list, finds a donor match, etc. Those without insurance can apply to multiple national foundations such as:

NFT
Have a Heart Foundation
Heart Transplant Foundation is Beneficiary of Local Charity Performance
Taylor Berry Heart Transplant Foundation
Johns Hopkins Children's Hospital | Cove Point Foundation - Congenital Heart Disease

Apparently crack isn't needed. You can review these and others for yourself.
 
Gill said:
No, you presented evidence from biased sources. There are 8 free clinics within 25 miles of me right now.
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You mean any source that doesn't support your view is biased? I understand. ;)
 
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