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Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

What I mean is we can't force them to follow our form directly. We can lay the ground work, but can't expect them to follow ours. We just simply have to give the blueprint.

Oh, I see. My bad. I agree, that it's up to them. It will be very interesting to see what form of "Democracy" they chose. Probably some form of Parliamentary Republic.
 
This, to me, is an incredible moment. Not just for Egypt, but for every country in the world. This is an example of a highly-militarized government being cast down by the popular will of the people without significant violence.

This is what gives me hope for a peaceful road to a Socialist society.
 
This, to me, is an incredible moment. Not just for Egypt, but for every country in the world. This is an example of a highly-militarized government being cast down by the popular will of the people without significant violence.

This is what gives me hope for a peaceful road to a Socialist society.

THAT road wouldn't be peaceful, at least not here.
 
This, to me, is an incredible moment. Not just for Egypt, but for every country in the world. This is an example of a highly-militarized government being cast down by the popular will of the people without significant violence.

This is what gives me hope for a peaceful road to a Socialist society.

They cast aside a highly-militarized government to have the army take complete control of the government?
 
Some of the conservatives on this thread, if they'd been in Boston, Massachusetts in 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was read and distributed widely...
"This can't possibly work. There will be anarchy and chaos! People will die! THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY BAD. I can't believe you people are celebrating in the streets."

Those same conservatives, 1779...
"This war has been dragging on forever, and we are getting nowhere. Houses are being burned, people are being killed, and we're running out of money. We should have stayed loyal to King George. Stupid protesters and their stupid tea parties caused this entire mess. Oh, and George Washington is a complete incompetent who doesn't know what the hell he's doing."

Those same conservatives in 1787...
"Well, this will never work. It's practically a military coup. You realize that George Washington isn't a politician, he's a GENERAL IN THE ARMY. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FORMAL CONSTITUTION YET. Rights will be trampled on! Laws will be violated! The army will be running things!"

I'm sure glad that Apdst, Erod, Zimmer and the Prof weren't running things in the U.S. in 1776. Or, 1779. Or 1787.

We'd all still have british accents and be paying out the ass for tea.
 
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Some of the conservatives on this thread, if they'd been in Boston, Massachusetts in 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was read and distributed widely...
"This can't possibly work. There will be anarchy and chaos! People will die! THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY BAD. I can't believe you people are celebrating in the streets."

Those same conservatives, 1779...
"This war has been dragging on forever, and we are getting nowhere. Houses are being burned, people are being killed, and we're running out of money. We should have stayed loyal to King George. Stupid protesters and their stupid tea parties caused this entire mess. Oh, and George Washington is a complete incompetent who doesn't know what the hell he's doing."

Those same conservatives in 1787...
"Well, this will never work. It's practically a military coup. You realize that George Washington isn't a politician, he's a GENERAL IN THE ARMY. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FORMAL CONSTITUTION YET. Rights will be trampled on! Laws will be violated! The army will be running things!"

I'm sure glad that Apdst, Erod, Zimmer and the Prof weren't running things in the U.S. in 1776. Or, 1779. Or 1787.

We'd all still have british accents and be paying out the ass for tea.

Is this supposed to be relevant in any way to the topic ???

Don't try to derail my thread with nonsense !
 
THAT road wouldn't be peaceful, at least not here.
That's why resistances and rebellions need to occur ONLY to install a democratic government. People will naturally take to Socialist ideas if they are not manipulated in the other direction as they are in the US.

They cast aside a highly-militarized government to have the army take complete control of the government?
The government of Egypt has been military for generations. The military currently has control of the government to avoid anarchy. I dont see any indications that this will become a military dictatorship, but only time will truly tell. I hope I'm right.
 
That's why resistances and rebellions need to occur ONLY to install a democratic government. People will naturally take to Socialist ideas if they are not manipulated in the other direction as they are in the US.

uhhhh, I think you have that backwards. We don't accept socialism because we have the knowledge and ability to reject it.
 
Is this supposed to be relevant in any way to the topic ???

Don't try to derail my thread with nonsense !

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

You can't topple a dictatorship without risking upheaval and turmoil.

The situation in Egypt was untenable and unsustainable. The crushing oppression of the regime was feeding Islamic terrorism. Now, there is a chance for something different, and that different thing could be 80 million people having liberty.

These people gathered, peacefully. They learned that they had the power to topple Mubarak. That knowledge is a powerful thing. Do not discount the heroism of people who get a little taste of freedom, and what they will do to keep it.

And yes, my post was relevant. Sorry that it was, perhaps, too subtle for you.
 
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Some of the conservatives on this thread, if they'd been in Boston, Massachusetts in 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was read and distributed widely...
"This can't possibly work. There will be anarchy and chaos! People will die! THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY BAD. I can't believe you people are celebrating in the streets."

Those same conservatives, 1779...
"This war has been dragging on forever, and we are getting nowhere. Houses are being burned, people are being killed, and we're running out of money. We should have stayed loyal to King George. Stupid protesters and their stupid tea parties caused this entire mess. Oh, and George Washington is a complete incompetent who doesn't know what the hell he's doing."

Those same conservatives in 1787...
"Well, this will never work. It's practically a military coup. You realize that George Washington isn't a politician, he's a GENERAL IN THE ARMY. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FORMAL CONSTITUTION YET. Rights will be trampled on! Laws will be violated! The army will be running things!"

I'm sure glad that Apdst, Erod, Zimmer and the Prof weren't running things in the U.S. in 1776. Or, 1779. Or 1787.

We'd all still have british accents and be paying out the ass for tea.

More revisionist history. I love how Libbos think that the Founders were Libbos, too. Whatta joke! :lamo
 
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accomplished without the people resorting to violence! who said it couldn't be done?

the people do have the power. Viva el revolution!

congratulations to the people of Egypt.
 
That's why resistances and rebellions need to occur ONLY to install a democratic government. People will naturally take to Socialist ideas if they are not manipulated in the other direction as they are in the US.

Americans are just smart that way.


The government of Egypt has been military for generations. The military currently has control of the government to avoid anarchy. I dont see any indications that this will become a military dictatorship, but only time will truly tell. I hope I'm right.

That's right and despite what Catz thinks, I don't see freedom as a bad thing for the Egyptians. I'm just waiting to see how things play out, before I jump on the happy train. There is still a huge possibility, that they jumped out of the pan, into the fire; especially, since the army is running the show. Historically speaking, there have been very few times when military rule was ever quietly transitioned over to civilian rule. Remember, Egypt has already been down this exact same road.
 
That Egypt's people got what they wanted without vast amounts of violence, death and destruction cannot be stated enough. Yet getting Mubarak out of the leadership position is step one. That the Vice President now (hopefully) handles the leadership until elections, is preferred. The last thing they need is a vacuum to happen. The harder part now occurs... putting together a fair and free election this fall, and making sure the darker elements of political and social power do not try to snatch the leadership of the country for their own. Then all this would be in vain. The third part would be establishing a new government which would be able to peacefully transfer power as the will of the people and not, say, like Iran.

Egypt's got a long way to go and the danger is only starting.
 
Hoping for change and wishful thinking don't add to the discourse.

Proper spelling, good grammar, and historical perspective do.

There were plenty of nay-sayers during our revolution. Most of them sided with the British. They were, as it turns out, on the wrong side of history.
 
That Egypt's people got what they wanted without vast amounts of violence, death and destruction cannot be stated enough. Yet getting Mubarak out of the leadership position is step one. That the Vice President now (hopefully) handles the leadership until elections, is preferred. The last thing they need is a vacuum to happen. The harder part now occurs... putting together a fair and free election this fall, and making sure the darker elements of political and social power do not try to snatch the leadership of the country for their own. Then all this would be in vain. The third part would be establishing a new government which would be able to peacefully transfer power as the will of the people and not, say, like Iran.

Egypt's got a long way to go and the danger is only starting.

This is all true. However, it's still okay to celebrate what has been accomplished at this moment while understanding that there is a long path ahead of them.
 
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