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Egypt's Mubarak resigns as leader

Laila said:
So you have no suggestions but whining? k. :roll:
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He's not whining. He's keeping his eye on the ball by pointing out the hypocrisy of American leftists. He isn't denigrating the First Stage of the Egyptian Revolution.
 
Laila said:
So you have no suggestions but whining? k. :roll:
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Since Mubarack is gone, does that mean that the United States is no longer responsible for anything that happens from this point on?

Or, if/when the army decides to hose down the protestors with automatic weapons fire, are you going to blame that on the United States, too, because we sold them baseball bats, or something?
 
justabubba said:
we see it has not made its appearance in the past 30 years
in what time span do you project democracy would have been able to take root under the existing constitution - one which has allowed a continuous state of emergency for over 20 years
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The constitution allowed Mubarack to rule with emergency powers? Care to show us the text?

Let me ask you a question: what rule book is the army bound to, at this point? There isn't one, anymore. Is it?


our military has a long established relationship with its egyptian counterparts
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ohhhhhh, so now our relationship with Egypt is a good thing?

the egyptian army played the role of referee in this uprising. it certainly had the means to quash the rebellion had it sought to do so to preserve the old order
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Yeah, and now there is a new order and the army is it. I'm betting they'll gladly light up the protestors to protect the new order.

there is effectively a one party system now in place. this will provide an opportunity for new parties to form for truly representative government to evolve
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I believe that there will continue to be a one party system in place, as well.
 
apdst said:
I believe that there will continue to be a one party system in place, as well.
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We'll take your opinion with all the seriousness it warrants, based upon your expertise on this situation. Thanks for sharing. ^.^
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
He's not whining. He's keeping his eye on the ball by pointing out the hypocrisy of American leftists. He isn't denigrating the First Stage of the Egyptian Revolution.
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At least he's focusing on the important part of this story. :roll:
 
apdst said:
The constitution allowed Mubarack to rule with emergency powers? Care to show us the text?

Let me ask you a question: what rule book is the army bound to, at this point? There isn't one, anymore. Is it?




ohhhhhh, so now our relationship with Egypt is a good thing?



Yeah, and now there is a new order and the army is it. I'm betting they'll gladly light up the protestors to protect the new order.



I believe that there will continue to be a one party system in place, as well.
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come september - the projected election time - we will know which one of us is correct
willing to wager on it. whoever is wrong must step out of this place?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
We'll take your opinion with all the seriousness it warrants, based upon your expertise on this situation. Thanks for sharing. ^.^
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Have you ever even been to Egypt? Served with Egyptian soldiers? Trained Egyptian soldiers?

I have.

Let me clue you in on something. There is no such thing as an, "unlawful order", in the Egyptian army. Summary executions are legal in the Egyptian army. If Egyptian soldiers are ordered to fire on civilians, then they'll open fire on civilians.

Seems I'm probably more familiar with the region than you are.
 
justabubba said:
come september - the projected election time - we will know which one of us is correct
willing to wager on it. whoever is wrong must step out of this place?
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That's kinda stupid.

But, you're right. When/if the elections take place--whenever that is--we shall see.

I don't understand how you can be so optimistic, given Egypt's history and the current events on the ground.
 
apdst said:
That's kinda stupid.

But, you're right. When/if the elections take place--whenever that is--we shall see.

I don't understand how you can be so optimistic, given Egypt's history and the current events on the ground.
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since you are so certain of your beliefs, why the hesitation to accept the wager
 
We shall wait and see where the Egyptian nation is heading to before we start celebrating.
 
justabubba said:
since you are so certain of your beliefs, why the hesitation to accept the wager
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I never said I am certain. I've only said that I'm pesimistic about the outcome.
 
i'm happy for the egyptian people, but at the same time, keeping my eye on some of groups wanting to take power...
 
repeter said:
Let's hope this doesn't further destabilize the country...
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ROTFLOL... Military coup... What's the problem? Obama wanted Honsi MuBarack out.

He's out.

Change You Can Believe In.
The Ones He Wasn't Waiting For.
Yes they Did.

Where was Obama's Plan?


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Apocalypse said:
We shall wait and see where the Egyptian nation is heading to before we start celebrating.
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That's what I'm screaming.

The People cheered Nasser, too.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... Military coup... What's the problem? Obama wanted Honsi MuBarack out.

He's out.

Change You Can Believe In.
The Ones He Wasn't Waiting For.
Yes they Did.

Where was Obama's Plan?


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He didn't have a plan. Now many of the leaders in the Middle East are angry and wary of America since Obama threw an old ally like Mubarak under the bus without hesitation.

Reminds me of the old saying "be careful what you wish for".
 
Now the real difficult work begins! It took us a long time to developed to this flawed but admirable democracy.

For one, I'm an opptomist who thinks that the Egyptians who rose up there will be responsible, and hopefully will have learned from our's and other's mistakes. Perhaps they are not destined to repeat the follies of history. My optomism rose from recent news beginning with a report of Muslims forming a circle around Christians so they could worship in peace followed by Christians doing the same for the Muslims.

Apparently a secret police shooting precipitated this uprising which has filled the streets for, is it 18 days now? This many people outraged at the atrocities propagated by their government to the point of facing down a violent autocracy at the risk of their lives and property will no doubt continue this battle to a positive end. Whether their new government is of "Western" orientation or not is irrelevant at this point. Any tyrant that falls and is replaced by a flawed democracy is a monumental improvement of planet earth. Begin with individual human rights and build from there.

Hail Egypt! Welcome to the 21st century.

(Was that corny?)
 
apdst said:
The constitution allowed Mubarack to rule with emergency powers? Care to show us the text?
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From the Egyptian Constitution:

Art.74: If any danger threatens the national unity or the safety of the motherland or obstructs the constitutional role of the State institutions, the President of the Republic shall take urgent measures to face this danger, direct a statement to the people and conduct a referendum on those measures within sixty days of their adoption.

The current emergency law, that the protesters wanted rescinded immediately, was adopted under this authority.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... Military coup... What's the problem? Obama wanted Honsi MuBarack out.

He's out.

Change You Can Believe In.
The Ones He Wasn't Waiting For.
Yes they Did.

Where was Obama's Plan?


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this is the way it is supposed to work
where the people TAKE their freedom
it is not something that another power can bestow. unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
tho some would assert that his speech in cairo, indicating the middle east was no exception to the belief that we are all entitled to be free persons, may have been a tiny spark
we will soon recognize in iraq that a people who are not discontent enough to throw the shackles off for themselves, will never know democracy
and the afghanis are teaching us that hard won lesson today
 
donsutherland1 said:
From the Egyptian Constitution:

Art.74: If any danger threatens the national unity or the safety of the motherland or obstructs the constitutional role of the State institutions, the President of the Republic shall take urgent measures to face this danger, direct a statement to the people and conduct a referendum on those measures within sixty days of their adoption.

The current emergency law, that the protesters wanted rescinded immediately, was adopted under this authority.
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So, the solution is to void the entire constitution?
 
This is W's achievement despite the corruption, efforts and incompetence of O.
 
justabubba said:
this is the way it is supposed to work
where the people TAKE their freedom
it is not something that another power can bestow. unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
tho some would assert that his speech in cairo, indicating the middle east was no exception to the belief that we are all entitled to be free persons, may have been a tiny spark
we will soon recognize in iraq that a people who are not discontent enough to throw the shackles off for themselves, will never know democracy
and the afghanis are teaching us that hard won lesson today
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Yeah, but, the people haven't taken a damn thing. The army did.
 
1753: Asked about the military - including Defence Minister Mohammed Hussein Tantawi - now being in charge, Mohamed ElBaradei tells the BBC: "I think it is not going to just be Tantawi, but the whole military leadership. I also understand that they are going to reach out to all sections of Egyptian society. I hope it will want to share power with civilians through the transitional period. I hope we will have a presidential council, a government of national unity and have enough time - perhaps a year - to prepare for genuine and free elections."

1726: The BBC's world affairs editor, John Simpson, in Cairo says: "For 18 days, the stubbornness of one elderly man has been pitted against the will of millions here. The Egyptian army found itself in the middle, unwilling until the very end to force President Mubarak out, yet deeply hostile to any suggestion that the soldiers should remove the protesters from Tahrir Square by force. It is still too soon to know for certain what forced Mr Mubarak to step down, but it seems a reasonable assumption that the army leadership could see the hairline cracks appearing amongst their own officer corps. The generals were inclined to side with the president - one of their own - and the more junior officers sympathised with the demonstrators."

BBC News - Egypt unrest
 
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justabubba said:
this is the way it is supposed to work
where the people TAKE their freedom
it is not something that another power can bestow. unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
tho some would assert that his speech in cairo, indicating the middle east was no exception to the belief that we are all entitled to be free persons, may have been a tiny spark
we will soon recognize in iraq that a people who are not discontent enough to throw the shackles off for themselves, will never know democracy
and the afghanis are teaching us that hard won lesson today
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There might be a line in there I agree with, but the following is utter stupidity:

unlike the shrub, Obama was wise enough to stay the **** out of it
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911.
Connet-the -Dots.
Saddam had and used WMD.
He was 12-years and 16 Useless UN Resolutions down the road.
Blix believed he had WMD, and said he weaponized some (which they claim that hadn't)

WE DID NOT GO TO WAR WITH EGYPT... THEY DIDN'T INVADE KUWAIT, LOSE A WAR AND NOT COMPLY WITH THE DEAL THEY MADE TO DISARM AFTER LOSING SAID WAR.

Doh... It's like you folks have NO capacity to remember.

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apdst said:
Yeah, but, the people haven't taken a damn thing. The army did.
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really?
all of those citizens assembling in the streets in protest for 18 days
that had nothing to do with it



stunning that you come to such a conclusion when the facts of the matter are so apparent
 
apdst said:
So, the solution is to void the entire constitution?
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I hope they haven't voided their constitution since it bans religious political parties. Voiding the constitution opens the door for the Muslim Brotherhood to take power.
 
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