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U.S. official: Bin Laden no longer greatest threat

Our biggest threat is our own government and the corporate lobbyists they serve.

Too big to fail = oligarchy
 
Grant said:
I don't believe Timothy Mcveigh was a terrorist.

A terrorist has some political goals in mind and wants to spread fear throughout the public as a means to an end

McVeigh murdered government employees in an act of revenge and can legitimately be called a mass murderer, but don;t think he intended to spread terror, and in fact he didn't. He was recognized for what he was.
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McVeigh wanted to end interventionist US military policies and "authoritariansim".

FOXNews.com - McVeigh's Apr. 26 Letter to Fox News - U.S. & World

While it was retliatory, he also sought to push his political agenda through fear as well.
 
j-mac said:
Well, that certainly sounds more like a leftest argument rather than the supposed rightwing Christian nut that the liberals make him out to be in their arguments.


j-mac
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Actually, I'd say it's more libertarian, which would be right-wing. He didn't seem to be motivated by Christianity to my knowledge. Definitely no Christian motivation to be found in that letter. I think he might have been pretty non-religious, actually.
 
Tucker Case said:
Actually, I'd say it's more libertarian, which would be right-wing. He didn't seem to be motivated by Christianity to my knowledge. Definitely no Christian motivation to be found in that letter. I think he might have been pretty non-religious, actually.
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I am just pointing out what it is that I have come up against in some replies to terrorism threads when McVeigh is brought up....Liberals seem to love to try and make him out to be right wing, when in fact the things I highlighted from your post is a left wing argument.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I am just pointing out what it is that I have come up against in some replies to terrorism threads when McVeigh is brought up....Liberals seem to love to try and make him out to be right wing, when in fact the things I highlighted from your post is a left wing argument.

j-mac
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You don't even possess any comprehension of the left vs right debate then.
 
j-mac said:
I am just pointing out what it is that I have come up against in some replies to terrorism threads when McVeigh is brought up....Liberals seem to love to try and make him out to be right wing, when in fact the things I highlighted from your post is a left wing argument.

j-mac
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As I said, the things he talked about would actually be libertarian. Left wingers don't have a problem with what happened at Waco. Libertarian ideology is typically portrayed as being on the right. It's not about the final position, but instead about the reasoning that leads there. His reasoning is right-wing, small government reasoning.

Also, just because Christianity wasn't his motivation doesn't mean he wasn't on the right. Being christian is not a right-wing ideology.
 
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Tucker Case said:
As I said, the things he talked about would actually be libertarian. Left wingers don't have a problem with what happened at Waco. Libertarian ideology is typically portrayed as being on the right. It's not about the final position, but instead about the reasoning that leads there. His reasoning is right-wing, small government reasoning.

Also, just because Christianity wasn't his motivation doesn't mean he wasn't on the right. Being christian is not a right-wing ideology.
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I prefer to place him in the fanatical nut job catagory. I really don't think he had a Bush/Qualye pin on when he hit the trigger.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I prefer to place him in the fanatical nut job catagory.
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And they can fall anywhere on the spectrum.

I really don't think he had a Bush/Qualye pin on when he hit the trigger.

j-mac
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Highly doubtful, but some people would consider Bush as being fairly centrist.
 
Tucker Case said:
And they can fall anywhere on the spectrum.
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True enough.

Highly doubtful, but some people would consider Bush as being fairly centrist.
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Actually I see him (H.W., and W. for that matter) to be progressive. And that is not a good thing. Remember H.W. was the first to openly speak of the 'New World Order'....


j-mac
 
apdst said:
99% of those are Rightists. So far, the American Left has come up with more bad ideas than good ones.
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Public education; anti-child labor; equal pay for women...

Terrible ideas all.
 
Tucker Case said:
As I said, the things he talked about would actually be libertarian. Left wingers don't have a problem with what happened at Waco. Libertarian ideology is typically portrayed as being on the right. It's not about the final position, but instead about the reasoning that leads there. His reasoning is right-wing, small government reasoning.

Also, just because Christianity wasn't his motivation doesn't mean he wasn't on the right. Being christian is not a right-wing ideology.
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Perhaps Left Wingers don't have a problem with what happened at Waco because the killing of these people occurred during the Clinton Administration.
 
Temporal said:
Bin Laden is dead.
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Then I wish he'd stop releasing all those audio/video clips referencing stuff that is currently happening around the world. It's getting on my nerves. ;)
 
DiAnna said:
Then I wish he'd stop releasing all those audio/video clips referencing stuff that is currently happening around the world. It's getting on my nerves. ;)
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There hasn't been a single clear piece of footage containing Bin Laden for more than half a decade now. And all of the recordings are most certainly not him. Given his profile of liking to spit in the face of the infidels at every opportunity, we know from his character that he likes to make appearances. Plus, to his followers, he's a really inspirational guy. There's no reason he'd become this obscure, not even security concerns. He always found ways to smuggle tapes out of his safety zones to reach broader audiences.

The guy is dead. There is no other explanation. We seriously hurt the Al Qaeda network in the years following the Afghan invasion.
 
Temporal said:
There hasn't been a single clear piece of footage containing Bin Laden for more than half a decade now. And all of the recordings are most certainly not him. Given his profile of liking to spit in the face of the infidels at every opportunity, we know from his character that he likes to make appearances. Plus, to his followers, he's a really inspirational guy. There's no reason he'd become this obscure, not even security concerns. He always found ways to smuggle tapes out of his safety zones to reach broader audiences.

The guy is dead. There is no other explanation. We seriously hurt the Al Qaeda network in the years following the Afghan invasion.
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Prove it, please. I want to believe, really I do. But frankly, you have absolutely no evidence to support your claims.
 
Grant said:
I didn't see any mention of this 'fear' agenda, only the retaliatory part.
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I don't think there needs to be an overt threat of fear. The implication that this is a goal is all that is necessary. That implication was present in the letter:

I decided to send a message to a government that was becoming increasingly hostile
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Grant said:
Perhaps Left Wingers don't have a problem with what happened at Waco because the killing of these people occurred during the Clinton Administration.
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I'd include the fact that it was a religious cult that stockpiled weopons and was run by an alleged child molester.

I'd say leftists are bothered by the way it went down, but that there was justification to go after the Branch Davidians.
 
DiAnna said:
Prove it, please. I want to believe, really I do. But frankly, you have absolutely no evidence to support your claims.
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and elvis is still alive too.;)

IMO, OBL is dead until they prove otherwise.. show me a recent video of him holding a recent USA Today and ill feel differently.
i mean really.. using the same methods we could have Abe Lincoln give a live retort to each OBL airing.
 
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