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Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

Guy Incognito said:
The only dishonest term is the use of the adjective "illegal" as a noun.
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Illegals, illegal aliens or illegal immigrants are the proper term for some one who comes into this country illegally.



Illegals | Define Illegals at Dictionary.com
–noun
3.
Informal . illegal alien.

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Word Origin & History

illegal
1626, from M.L. illegalis, from L. in- "not" (with assimilation of -n- to the following consonant) + legalis (see legal). Term illegal immigrant first recorded 1939 in ref. to Jews entering Palestine without authorization during the British mandate.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal+alien
–noun
1.
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
2.
a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal+immigrant
illegal immigrant
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illegal alien
 
–noun
1.
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
2.
a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.

That is just an abuse of the English language, and it betrays a poor understand of grammar on your part that you insist on using it.
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You insist on using the term "undocumented worker" and you have the nerve to criticize someone's grammar?



"Undocumented worker" is a correct term for someone who has illicitly crossed the border in order to work.
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Actually it is not. Undocumented worker is nothing more than a term created by pro-illegals to hide the illegality of the individual who is here illegally. Anyone regardless of legal status can be an undocumented worker if they are working without any documentation,contracts, under the table pay and so.

Illegal alien | Define Illegal alien at Dictionary.com
a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
It is you who is incorrect.

The word "illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. Use it as such.
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Give up dude, you've been outed twice now. And easily I might add. PC language is a tactic now seen through.


j-mac
 
They are not illegal aliens, undocumented workers, or illegal immigrants. They are the Replacement Population in exactly the same way that the White Settlers replaced American Indians. Same phenomenon.
 
Everyone seems to be missing the real issue here.

If Chipotle is hiring illegal immigrants from Mexico, doesn't that make Chipotle authentic Mexican cuisine? :shock:
 
DiAnna said:
I read about this sometime back, and was very, very pleasantly surprised! Good job on this, Obama. (Now build the danged fence! :mrgreen:)
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If they actually enforced the law, they wouldnt need the fence...Maybe just a crows nest of snipers every few thousand yards and a free fire zone...
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
They are not illegal aliens, undocumented workers, or illegal immigrants. They are the Replacement Population in exactly the same way that the White Settlers replaced American Indians. Same phenomenon.
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Comparing peaceful Mexican immigration with the genocide of Native Americans? Fail.

Haven't you ever heard of the Trail of Tears?
 
Tucker Case said:
If Chipotle is hiring illegal immigrants from Mexico, doesn't that make Chipotle authentic Mexican cuisine? :shock:
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If anything, the fact that they are hiring illegal immigrants makes them authentically American.
 
Guy Incognito said:
If anything, the fact that they are hiring illegal immigrants makes them authentically American.
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I do get a kick out of the fact that Chipotle makes a big deal about using local produce. They forget to mention that they reserve the right to import labor. :2razz:
 
The food service industry uses illegal immigrants? No way.

Ever one of us regularly eats food prepared by illegals, probably sleep under a roof nailed by illegals, get over it. The government is responsible for our borders, government isn't that great at anything, why would you expect they'd be good at keeping the borders secure? Ah, but the government makes the rules, and then when they fail at it we can't blame them, but god damn Chipotle for giving a job to someone in their community who wanted a job, did good work, and didn't gripe about the pay (at least not in a language they understood)

If illegals are part of the community, denying the jobs is just as bad as having let them cross the border, having crossed the border, having sought a job illegally. It's all the same ****. If government wants it to be done well, and can't do it well, and doesn't have the will, just privatize it. Let the gun nuts and border-whackos buy up the border corridor and let them retire kicking back in a lawn chair with an AK and a bottle of beer keep our borders sealed. If we don't have the balls to enforce a border, why have a border at all?
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Comparing peaceful Mexican immigration with the genocide of Native Americans? Fail.

Haven't you ever heard of the Trail of Tears?
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And how many Americans have been killed in Mexico this year? Do you know? And if not why? How many have been kidnapped from American cities like AZ? Another huge story going largely unreported in our media? Why?

Do you believe in the Atzlan movement Guy?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Do you believe in the Atzlan movement Guy?
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Leave this stuff at the conspiracy theory board, will ya? This is a serious immigration debate.
 
danarhea said:
You know, being the critic of Barack Obama that I am, I was quite surprised to find this out:



Looks like we agree on something, Mr. President. After all, we wouldn't have illegal aliens in this country is we didn't have crooked employers who are willing to hire them. Good job. On THIS, I support you.

Article is here.
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This is good news...

And I actually like to eat at Chipotle sometimes..
 
Iron River said:
What do you liberals guess the market for counterfeit documents is worth?? What do you think is the civil risk to an employer who questions the status of a person just because the person can’t or won’t speak English?

It would cost our economy less to slap a stiff prison term on the illegals than it will to have the employers spend the money necessary to check the documents of all of these people.

Better yet; let’s pay Mexico to hold the illegals in a Mexican prison for three years. Do that and three froths of the illegals would leave before we could catch them.

As far as a path to citizenship; sending them back to Mexico where they are citizens is a path I would put them on.

I agree that we need a reasonable guest worker program that would stipulate that the guest worker could never become a citizen and that their kids would not become citizens either.
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Every employer I ever worked for asked to see documentation I was either a citizen or allowed to work in the US (birth certificate, social security card, or VISA)... I really don't understand how enforcing the law is asking employers too much.
 
SheWolf said:
Every employer I ever worked for asked to see documentation I was either a citizen or allowed to work in the US (birth certificate, social security card, or VISA)... I really don't understand how enforcing the law is asking employers too much.
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I think it's kind of messed up that some would prefer to send honest workers to jail rather than have to hold business owners accountable for ascertaining the citizenship status of their employees.
 
apdst said:
You're right, which is why going after the employers should be part of a multi-pronged strategy to combat illegal immigration.

Don't worry, it won't be long before going after employers who employ Meixcans will be considered racist, too.
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Everybody illegally in the US are not from Mexico... My friend is dating a Canadian who overstayed his VISA and was here illegally.. lol
 
Guy Incognito said:
I think it's kind of messed up that some would prefer to send honest workers to jail rather than have to hold business owners accountable for ascertaining the citizenship status of their employees.
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Yeah... obviously the employers are trying to break the law, and know it's illegal. Why should they get a free pass to keep trying?
 
Badmutha said:
Hell yeah......the ma and pop store that mistakenly hires an illegal should be shut down! That will teach those Illegals.
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I don't think anybody here is arguing such places should be shut down for MISTAKENLY hiring an illegal. Employers are supposed to ask you certain questions before giving you a job. Are you old enough to work, are you old enough to work full time... are you permitted to work in the US?? If somebody gives falsified information to the employer about their immigration status or citizenship, then they are committing fraud.

Employers shouldn't have to detect and report fraud... nobody is arguing that, and fraud is already a crime. Charge the person committing fraud with fraud, not the employer they mislead... being mislead is not a crime.
 
j-mac said:
It's a simple question Guy. Are you a supporter of MeCha? Or La Raza?

j-mac
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Remember that xenophobia stuff I was talking about earlier? :yt
 
SheWolf said:
Yeah... obviously the employers are trying to break the law, and know it's illegal. Why should they get a free pass to keep trying?
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Employers who knowingly hire illegals should obviously be punished, but let's stop acting as if they are the problem and their punishment is the only solution to the problem.
 
apdst said:
Employers who knowingly hire illegals should obviously be punished, but let's stop acting as if they are the problem and their punishment is the only solution to the problem.
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No one is saying that the employer is the sole root problem but there are people who believe the employer should be left alone. To properly tackle illegal immigration, one also must debate the minimum wage and entitlement programs as well.

j-mac said:
And how many Americans have been killed in Mexico this year?
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How is this relevant? My view is that if your stupid enough to visit a country that isnt exactly stable nor safe and you get killed its no one's fault than your own.
 
I've noticed a lot of focus being on employers of illegal immigrants, and illegal immigrants themselves. when you are discussing a law that everyone is required to follow, i think it's also important to look at the implications of legal residents and their employers.

If i'm going to hire a neighbor for the summer to work for my cement company, i now have to provide a ton of personal information on him to the government. how about a form to fill out to make sure i don't hire a drug user, or a thief, or a murderer.

while i agree that people shouldn't be allowed to employ people people illegally, we do have a notion in this country of innocent before proven guilty. please remember this when your fears of foreign invaders brings you to lessen the value your freedoms.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
. To properly tackle illegal immigration, one also must debate the minimum wage and entitlement programs as well.
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Some of the perks with hiring illegals is the fact you can pay them sub-standard wages with no benefits and treat them like crap.They are here illegally what they are they going to do complain to a government agency that they are being taken advantage of and mistreated? They can't. Abolishing or lowering minimum wage and entitlement programs is not going to do anything to curb illegal immigration.
 
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