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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

It would also be a lot less expensive if we got the illegal alien problem under control and created more doctors. How do you explain the increase in ER usage in MA by insured people because they cannot get into seeing a doctor?

As I have stated over and over again this is all about access to you and not about improved quality or quantiy of healthcare. There is no govt program that has ever cut costs and have always cost more than intended. Interesting that liberals have an arrogance that seems to believe the last group of liberals just didn't do it right and that this group can correct the problem. That has never happened.

Having one does not limit you tackling the other. And having access is an imporvement in quality for those who did not have access before. Our problem here is largely one of access.
 
Having one does not limit you tackling the other. And having access is an imporvement in quality for those who did not have access before. Our problem here is largely one of access.

What good is access if you have to go to the ER for care because you cannot get into seeing a doctor?
 
What good is access if you have to go to the ER for care because you cannot get into seeing a doctor?

You over state that problem by a lot, and fail to realize that problem will be reduced in time. The reform actually has built in incentives to increase the number of doctors, which has been artifically held down by the AMA.

But we've been through this.
 
You over state that problem by a lot, and fail to realize that problem will be reduced in time. The reform actually has built in incentives to increase the number of doctors, which has been artifically held down by the AMA.

But we've been through this.

Yes, we have been through this and you ignored the response then just like now. You have way too much invested in this argument and are losing badly. How long until the problem is alleviated? It hasn't been solved in MA and MA has the highest doctors per capita in the country yet cannot keep people from using the ER's. There is no evidence that universal healthcare improves access and lowers costs anywhere else in the world. Keep believing that leftwing bs.
 
This still doesn't address my point

your point (LOL!) is microscopic

all that matters is OBAMACARE

three quarters of a T in new taxes, half a T cuts to medicare while expanding it by millions, a quarter T unfunded burden on bankrupt states, a quarter T doc fix unbudgeted, a quarter T double counted, thousands of waivers, 10 years of taxes vs 6 of bennies, er costs up, docs opting out...

ignore THAT

don't be BIASED

LOL!
 
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your point (LOL!) is microscopic

all that matters is OBAMACARE

three quarters of a T in new taxes, half a T cuts to medicare while expanding it by millions, a quarter T unfunded burden on bankrupt states, a quarter T doc fix unbudgeted, a quarter T double counted, thousands of waivers, 10 years of taxes vs 6 of bennies, er costs up, docs opting out...

ignore THAT

don't be BIASED

LOL!

You're a bit factually incorrect again. Do you need links to fact checking sites? :coffeepap
 
Yes, we have been through this and you ignored the response then just like now. You have way too much invested in this argument and are losing badly. How long until the problem is alleviated? It hasn't been solved in MA and MA has the highest doctors per capita in the country yet cannot keep people from using the ER's. There is no evidence that universal healthcare improves access and lowers costs anywhere else in the world. Keep believing that leftwing bs.

I've ignored? Seriously, pot to kettle. :lamo

Again, the present reform has incentives to add more more doctors. MA is not equal to the present reform. And, MA will also adjust. Few people expect refomr to be smooth without bumps and growing pains. But you only get better by trying to do better. That's actually how it works. :coffeepap
 
Do you need links to fact checking sites?

asks the linklessly outta luck

LOL!

send em to ELMENDORF and SEBELIUS

oh, and anthony I-WANNA-WAIVER weiner

he needs one too!

for NEW YORK
 
I've ignored? Seriously, pot to kettle. :lamo

Again, the present reform has incentives to add more more doctors. MA is not equal to the present reform. And, MA will also adjust. Few people expect refomr to be smooth without bumps and growing pains. But you only get better by trying to do better. That's actually how it works. :coffeepap

It takes years to add doctors and as I pointed out MA hasn't solved the problem as costs continue to rise. Your emotional investment in this issue is quite telling. You need to take a breath, step back, and think objectively for a change. Costs are going up in MA and will continue to rise all over the world even with single payer and universal care. Nothing in this bill lowers costs including all the waivers being issued.
 
It takes years to add doctors and as I pointed out MA hasn't solved the problem as costs continue to rise. Your emotional investment in this issue is quite telling. You need to take a breath, step back, and think objectively for a change. Costs are going up in MA and will continue to rise all over the world even with single payer and universal care. Nothing in this bill lowers costs including all the waivers being issued.

So, you were expecting instant gradification? And if you read the article The prof mindlessly linked, you'd see they don't see the problem linked to reform, and that some of the reasons are unclear yet. Still, you cannot imporve without trying to improve. While it may be messy to step up and try, it is still better than accepting the status quo.

The same with the national reform. You have to start before you can actually get anywhere. you side has repeatedly been unwilling to even start, to even try. Which is why this has been a problem for a long, long time.
 
asks the linklessly outta luck

LOL!

send em to ELMENDORF and SEBELIUS

oh, and anthony I-WANNA-WAIVER weiner

he needs one too!

for NEW YORK

Links don't replace reasoning. :coffeepap
 
There is also a lot of waste and theft in the private health insurance system. Hospitals pad their bills for services never rendered, and there is no way the insurance companies can investigate or stop this level of fraud. One remedy the insurance companies do have, though, is to raise rates. Lots more cost to all of us due to theft.

Can't understand why, when the government is mention, people knee jerk their hate reaction and won't listen to anything else after that. These people are supposed to be educated and yet they still see the government as a monolith, not what it really is... Working people just like you, me, and probably 90 percent of the others.

When it comes down to trust, I'd chose a Government civil servant over private industry every time. They feel more comfortable with their job because of all the perks they get. They have the best medical coverage, job security, more holidays, pay no social security, get a salary equal to private companies, have a generous retirement plan, and, most of all, no hard schedules to meet and very little competitiveness.

ricksfolly
 
LMAO....tell you what, go to the Bill and use it's text to show us we won't lose any freedoms ;)

Tread lightly...I already told I know whats in it :)

Again, false. You really seem to be drinking the kool aid of the tired old tactics. No one loses any freedom.
 
LMAO....tell you what, go to the Bill and use it's text to show us we won't lose any freedoms ;)

Tread lightly...I already told I know whats in it :)

You do know that isn't how this works. The claim is yours that freedoms are lost. You have to show what freedoms and what in the Bill takes them. The burden is yours.
 
are you accusing KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, barack hussein obama's SECRETARY OF HHS, of failing to reason?

LOL!

No. But you prove my point with this response. :coffeepap
 
And reasoning doesn't replace facts.

You can't interpret facts without reasoning. Present some facts, and show your reasoning. That would be appropriate.
 
Meaning as usual you have no idea as to what you are talking about...again.

I get it.

You do know that isn't how this works. The claim is yours that freedoms are lost. You have to show what freedoms and what in the Bill takes them. The burden is yours.
 
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