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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Whovian said:
That is about the dumbest thing I ever heard. That is PRECISELY WHY the GOP is trying to bring that Obamanation of a health care law down... because they are confident the American people would be dissatisfied with the results.
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All 99 percent care about is how much will it cost, and does it cover me and my family? none of the other details. Whether they're dissatisified with the results or not depends on their expectations, not what is politically correct.

ricksfolly
 
here we go again

The federal government Tuesday granted Maine a waiver of a key provision in President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, citing the likelihood that enforcement could destabilize the state's market for individual health insurance.

The U.S. Health and Human Services department said in a letter it would waive the requirement that insurers spend 80 cents to 85 cents of every premium dollar on medical care and quality improvement. Instead, the letter said, the state could maintain its 65 percent standard for three years, with the caveat that HHS intends to review the figures after two years.

The decision makes Maine the first state to receive a waiver of the requirement. Similar requests are pending from Kentucky, Nevada and New Hampshire.

In seeking the waiver, Maine Insurance Superintendent Mila Kofman feared that one of three major insurers offering individual plans in Maine would withdraw from the market altogether if the federal requirement remained in place. The insurer, MEGA Life and Health Insurance Co., has 37 percent of the state's individual market.
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ME Gets Break in Federal Health Care Law

this time it's the OVERHEAD LIMITATION requirement

the 1000 seiu's and fast food flippers so far freed were EXEMPTED from the YEARLY CAP requirement

why do so many want out?

why does sebelius let em go?

what's she gonna say to the next applicant?

what's wrong with obamacare, why do so many hate it, seek as much distance as possible?

and why doesn't anyone defend it, y'know, ON SUBSTANCE?

oh well, washington knows best
 
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Interesting that even Dirty Harrys state wants out, maybe obamacare is not all it was cracked up to be? Where are all the libs to defend this action?
 
People don't want a Canadian replica of healthcare.

Have any of you even went to Canada and observed the hospital waiting lines?

Perplexing, truly.
 
Wake said:
People don't want a Canadian replica of healthcare.

Have any of you even went to Canada and observed the hospital waiting lines?

Perplexing, truly.
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Do you actually believe there is only one model? And do you not think something can be done differently, improved upon?
 
Boo Radley said:
Do you actually believe there is only one model? And do you not think something can be done differently, improved upon?
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Since we're talking models, let's consider communism as but an example. Many different kinds; all peaceful, I'd imagine. What say you?
 
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

RCP Average Against/Oppose +11.3
Bloomberg Against/Oppose +10
Rasmussen Reports Against/Oppose +15
POS Against/Oppose +10
Newsweek/Daily Beast Against/Oppose +19
CBS News Against/Oppose +18
FOX News Against/Oppose +17
CNN/Opinion Research Against/Oppose +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Tie
ABC News/Wash Post Against/Oppose +5
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too bad americans are stuck with approving or dissing THE BILL THAT'S BEFORE THEM instead of your favorites and fantasies

oh well, party on
 
Wake said:
Since we're talking models, let's consider communism as but an example. Many different kinds; all peaceful, I'd imagine. What say you?
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That's kind of funny, sort of, not really.

No one is advocating communism or even socialism. Only a more effective and less costly method of providing a public health concern. You know, like your fire department.
 
obamacare...

it's just like your FIRE DEPT

LOL!
 
Boo Radley said:
That's kind of funny, sort of, not really.

No one is advocating communism or even socialism. Only a more effective and less costly method of providing a public health concern. You know, like your fire department.
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The government is going to run a more effective and less costly medical system?? That's exactly what they said in Canada over 40 years ago!

You have no basis in for believing the US government will have a better plan, only that you want to believe it.In fact there is no government health system anywhere that is cost effective and gives good service. None! But you will become dependent on it, that's certain, and then become afraid to go without.

The bureaucracy will also grow beyond your wildest dreams.
 
Grant said:
The government is going to run a more effective and less costly medical system?? That's exactly what they said in Canada over 40 years ago!

You have no basis in for believing the US government will have a better plan, only that you want to believe it.In fact there is no government health system anywhere that is cost effective and gives good service. None! But you will become dependent on it, that's certain, and then become afraid to go without.

The bureaucracy will also grow beyond your wildest dreams.
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You should investigate single payer a little more. There are more than a few ways to do, and yes, as we see, a single payer system is less costly and more effective in that it allows greater access.

As for a better plan, we'd have to actually try and hammer one out before either of us could say how good it was or wasn't. The fear some have to even allowing the discussion, chosing instead to fear monger, says a lot about them.
 
have the discussion?

LOL!

we already had it, it went on for 2 years

it was called o-b-a-m-a-c-a-r-e

it led to TSUNAMI TUESDAY

you'd think DEPT CHAIRS would've heard

STARBUCKS did

obamacare encompasses a half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase:

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

doctors refuse new medicare patients:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

that's why obamacare is such a LOSER

that's why the american people have REJECTED it

dither on, didactics
 
No, prof, we did not. We had nonsense punctuated with misinformation. Sorry. You have to think more than just mindless post links.
 
Boo Radley said:
You should investigate single payer a little more. There are more than a few ways to do, and yes, as we see, a single payer system is less costly and more effective in that it allows greater access.

As for a better plan, we'd have to actually try and hammer one out before either of us could say how good it was or wasn't. The fear some have to even allowing the discussion, chosing instead to fear monger, says a lot about them.
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It's not a matter of "fear mongering", it's simply explaining how these things work.

The NHS in the UK now has something like 1.5 million employees, which is closing in on Walmart, despite the latter being international and offering far better service.

The same thing holds true in Canada where the major part of our budget now goes toward health care, and when it was implemented it was said it would be 5% of the budget.

You can be warned by those who have experienced it but I doubt that wll do much good. People think they can get something for nothing, that the 'government' will pay for it, but in real life it just doesn't work that way.

And what's really strikingly odd about this is that other countries are trying to move away from big government while many Americans seem to be embracing it. They seem to forget entirely what made them free and prosperous in the first place, and that it certainly wasn't socialism.
 
Boo Radley said:
We had nonsense punctuated with misinformation.
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LOL!

tell it to nyt, the globe, wapo, the hill, cnn, abc, cbo's website, hhs' website...

elmendorf and sebelius, for example, always think for themselfs
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

tell it to nyt, the globe, wapo, the hill, cnn, abc, cbo's website, hhs' website...

elmendorf and sebelius, for example, always think for themselfs
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Yes, I would tell that to them. Seriously, think some.
 
Grant said:
It's not a matter of "fear mongering", it's simply explaining how these things work.

The NHS in the UK now has something like 1.5 million employees, which is closing in on Walmart, despite the latter being international and offering far better service.

The same thing holds true in Canada where the major part of our budget now goes toward health care, and when it was implemented it was said it would be 5% of the budget.

You can be warned by those who have experienced it but I doubt that wll do much good. People think they can get something for nothing, that the 'government' will pay for it, but in real life it just doesn't work that way.

And what's really strikingly odd about this is that other countries are trying to move away from big government while many Americans seem to be embracing it. They seem to forget entirely what made them free and prosperous in the first place, and that it certainly wasn't socialism.
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No, it is actually fear mongering. Giving misinformation is not explaining how things work. If you look at cost, we pay more than anyone. Everyone else is spending less.
 
Well, prof, you never have been serious. Sorry for expecting anything different. :2wave:
 
THREE QUARTERS OF A TRIL in new taxes

A THOUSAND TOO BIGS exempted

docs coast to coast REFUSING NEW MEDICARE PATIENTS

a QUARTER TRIL doc fix off line

another QUARTER TRIL double counted, says cbo

ER COSTS thru the hospital roof

OUR STATES, already bankrupt, hit with a QUARTER TRIL unfunded

medicare CUT a full HALF TRIL

live it, libs, love it

it's YOURS
 
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