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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

well, seeing how far that one got in dc and across the american electorate at large...

it appears the ALL ABOUT BOO crowd lives in its own lonely little world

and it appears completely UNLINKED

at least not to any REPUTABLE SOURCES
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, I know you would. However, that has little to do with anything I can think of. :coffeepap
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The US has a Better medical system. Obama care will severly demean this system and create a system that will fail the country
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Boo Radley said:
That's why a single payer would have been a better option, by far. It is the way we should go.
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If you want a doctor shortage and waiting lines to get healthcare.
 
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Boo Radley said:
That's why a single payer would have been a better option, by far. It is the way we should go.
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Why? Tell me why you have such confidence in a single payer system lowering costs?
 
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Conservative said:
Why? Tell me why you have such confidence in a single payer system lowering costs?
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Simple. Nearly all are covered, meaning better access, which means better overall care, and we see they spend less. Less for more is better than paying more for less. Seems simple to me. :coffeepap
 
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Boo Radley said:
Simple. Nearly all are covered, meaning better access, which means better overall care, and we see they spend less. Less for more is better than paying more for less. Seems simple to me. :coffeepap
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As I have stated, for you it is all about access yet access doesn't insure quality or quantity of care. MA has proven that access drives up ER costs and affects the state budget. Expand that to 49 other states and what you get is a typical disaster. You really don't care about costs or quantity but just want an expanded govt. which wastes money. Check out the latest GAO report released today to see what the govt. actually does.
 
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Conservative said:
As I have stated, for you it is all about access yet access doesn't insure quality or quantity of care. MA has proven that access drives up ER costs and affects the state budget. Expand that to 49 other states and what you get is a typical disaster. You really don't care about costs or quantity but just want an expanded govt. which wastes money. Check out the latest GAO report released today to see what the govt. actually does.
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Access is a major component, but you're mistaken if you think that automatically means less quality. Frankly for those getting access they didn't have the quality is much better. In with the right system, there's no reason quality would go down for anyone. You need to clear your mind of sterotypes and misinformation and really consider possibilities.
 
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possiblities?

LOL!

single payer?

someone's confusing fantasies with reality again
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Boo Radley said:
Access is a major component, but you're mistaken if you think that automatically means less quality. Frankly for those getting access they didn't have the quality is much better. In with the right system, there's no reason quality would go down for anyone. You need to clear your mind of sterotypes and misinformation and really consider possibilities.
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I think it is fair to say if you have MONEY in America, you are getting higher quality health care. I don't think there's any doubt about that Boo. I know this first hand.

However. If you're poor, well **** off you don't deserve health care...

I know which system I prefer :coffeepap
 
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Jetboogieman said:
However. If you're poor, well **** off you don't deserve health care
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asa determines that americans with NO INSURANCE fare better---shorter stays, lower costs, reduced mortality---than their neighbors whose primary payer status is medicaid

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

obamacare makes all that much worse, massively expanding the ghetto of health care with no funding
 
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The Prof said:
asa determines that americans with NO INSURANCE fare better---shorter stays, lower costs, reduced mortality---than their neighbors whose primary payer status is medicaid

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

obamacare makes all that much worse, massively expanding the ghetto of health care with no funding
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You really buy that ****? If so, I suggest what they are saying is they fleece those who can pay. :coffeepap
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I think it is fair to say if you have MONEY in America, you are getting higher quality health care. I don't think there's any doubt about that Boo. I know this first hand.

However. If you're poor, well **** off you don't deserve health care...

I know which system I prefer :coffeepap
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I have no doubt about that. What I suggest is that won't change if we also include the poor in adequate care.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Access is a major component, but you're mistaken if you think that automatically means less quality. Frankly for those getting access they didn't have the quality is much better. In with the right system, there's no reason quality would go down for anyone. You need to clear your mind of sterotypes and misinformation and really consider possibilities.
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The passion you have for this issue is quite puzzling as is the fact that you ignore the results in MA. You cannot added millions more to the roles and reduce costs, totally and completely impossible. What affect has total access had on MA costs?
 
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Conservative said:
The passion you have for this issue is quite puzzling as is the fact that you ignore the results in MA. You cannot added millions more to the roles and reduce costs, totally and completely impossible. What affect has total access had on MA costs?
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If my understanding is correct the MA law is not completely initiated yet so we won't know for awhile....
 
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Conservative said:
The passion you have for this issue is quite puzzling as is the fact that you ignore the results in MA. You cannot added millions more to the roles and reduce costs, totally and completely impossible. What affect has total access had on MA costs?
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No, it's not. We treat those with out access the most ineffective way possible, after they are really ill, and those costs are passed down to all of us. Hospitals charge to make up costs, and we have no idea if they over charge. Insurance companies have to make that up, so they continue to charge more in premiums and give less care, which contributes to the cycle as well.

So, while it may intitially cost more to start giving all adequate care, less would have to be made up for by hospitals and docotrs. More doctors could be allowed to enter the profession (a number artificially held low), and we all benefit.

And MA is not the perfect model. Using it is pointless as it is not what we are really discussing.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Jetboogieman said:
If my understanding is correct the MA law is not completely initiated yet so we won't know for awhile....
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Yes, the MA law is fully implemented and is costing more than projected with long waiting lines in the ER's and even longer waits to get into a doctor's office.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, it's not. We treat those with out access the most ineffective way possible, after they are really ill, and those costs are passed down to all of us. Hospitals charge to make up costs, and we have no idea if they over charge. Insurance companies have to make that up, so they continue to charge more in premiums and give less care, which contributes to the cycle as well.

So, while it may intitially cost more to start giving all adequate care, less would have to be made up for by hospitals and docotrs. More doctors could be allowed to enter the profession (a number artificially held low), and we all benefit.

And MA is not the perfect model. Using it is pointless as it is not what we are really discussing.
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Different day, same old rhetoric. Keep ignoring history and what is going on around the world. You see what you want to see and ignore the actual results. If a single payer system is so great why are European countries trying to convert to private industry?
 
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Conservative said:
Different day, same old rhetoric. Keep ignoring history and what is going on around the world. You see what you want to see and ignore the actual results. If a single payer system is so great why are European countries trying to convert to private industry?
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Project much? Anyone could say this about you my friend. :coffeepap
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

I'd look at france. It's closer. But remember, we're not doing what I purpose. Not even in MA.
 
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