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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Boo Radley said:
I think your wrong:

Charge for 1 hour of OR time was $750. This number includes hospital resources such as rental of OR space, lighting and energy, and personnel to run, stock, and clean the OR space. Anesthesiology fees were quoted at $525 for 1 hour of physician time and $288 for anesthetic and intravenous drugs and anesthesia-related equipment for 1 hour, for a total of $813. Billing for the anesthesiologist often began on interview of the patient in the preoperative holding area. Surgical supplies and instrument fees for a tracheostomy done in the OR were $130 per case. The total cost per tracheostomy done in the OR, assuming 1 hour of surgical time, was $1693.

Safety of pediatric bedside tracheostomy in the intensive care unit
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So then you support the Obamacare death panels
 
ptif219 said:
You can get dental on private insurance you can not get it from medicaid
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Actually, w=I've been on three different insurance plans in my life (private) and only one of them provided dental.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

ptif219 said:
The last election the GOP got voted in saying they would repeal Obamacare so I should expect this to happen
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Yeah, but the voters also said they want all the benefits of it. Kind of a mixed message if you ask me.
 
iamitter said:
Actually, w=I've been on three different insurance plans in my life (private) and only one of them provided dental.
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I could get dental if I wanted to pay for it all insurance plans I have had
 
ptif219 said:
I could get dental if I wanted to pay for it all insurance plans I have had
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when your employer offers one and it doesn't offer dental, you don't have much of a choice.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Johnny Centrist said:
Yes, those children with preexisting conditions and cancer patients who've been dropped from their health care will be thrilled.
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Do it the right way. Don't have government force people.
 
ptif219 said:
I have never seen that from an employer
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Dental isn't like health insurance. It's not really "insurance" at all, as there's few emergencies you might need to pay for if you didn't have insurance. It is actually a money benefit typically provided by an employer to help their employees pay for routine dental treatment. However, a large number of employers do not offer this perk to their employees.
 
iamitter said:
Dental isn't like health insurance. It's not really "insurance" at all, as there's few emergencies you might need to pay for if you didn't have insurance. It is actually a money benefit typically provided by an employer to help their employees pay for routine dental treatment. However, a large number of employers do not offer this perk to their employees.
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Keep saying that but I have always been offered that. I now work for an Owner operater that does not provide insurance. I just changed insurance companies because my premium went up 30%.

The new plan I am paying $20 more a month so my premium will not increase for the next 2 years.
 
ptif219 said:
Keep saying that but I have always been offered that. I now work for an Owner operater that does not provide insurance. I just changed insurance companies because my premium went up 30%.

The new plan I am paying $20 more a month so my premium will not increase for the next 2 years.
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I know anecdotal evidence is sweet, but just because you were always offered dental doesn't mean everyone was. Dental is just money the company gives you for procedures, not actually "insurance" and not all companies offer it, regardless of what you've had in life.
 
iamitter said:
I know anecdotal evidence is sweet, but just because you were always offered dental doesn't mean everyone was. Dental is just money the company gives you for procedures, not actually "insurance" and not all companies offer it, regardless of what you've had in life.
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To further this Vision is treated the same way as Dental. This seperation of Dential/Vision support vs Health insurance is why many employers and providers sperate these two groups even in their own packages.
 
iamitter said:
I know anecdotal evidence is sweet, but just because you were always offered dental doesn't mean everyone was. Dental is just money the company gives you for procedures, not actually "insurance" and not all companies offer it, regardless of what you've had in life.
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I've always had dental as well, if you can call it that. I somehow don't consider $500.00 per year, for the whole family much care. Barely covers cleanings.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I've always had dental as well, if you can call it that. I somehow don't consider $500.00 per year, for the whole family much care. Barely covers cleanings.


j-mac
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Exactly, that's not dental insurance, that's a dental allowance.
 
i'm a california public school teacher (east bay) and i get 1700 per year
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

ptif219 said:
No they want certain parts most of it is crap
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Yes, the benefit parts. They just don't want anything that would pay for it. It's that disconnect again.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, misinformation, and no Canada does not prove it. The poor child is already dead.
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Far be it for you to post inaccurate or false information based upon pure speculation and your own wishful thinking. Doesn't matter that no country in the world has a handle on healthcare costs only that you believe as a liberal that this group can do it better. In your world there are no consequences if you are wrong.
 
Conservative said:
Far be it for you to post inaccurate or false information based upon pure speculation and your own wishful thinking. Doesn't matter that no country in the world has a handle on healthcare costs only that you believe as a liberal that this group can do it better. In your world there are no consequences if you are wrong.
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yes, health care is a problem for everyone. But, we spend more for less. Why do you defend that?
 
Boo Radley said:
yes, health care is a problem for everyone. But, we spend more for less. Why do you defend that?
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I defend it because you have never defined what has driven up our costs including ignoring the Federal Govt. impact on costs through regulations that the rest of the world doesn't have.
 
Conservative said:
I defend it because you have never defined what has driven up our costs including ignoring the Federal Govt. impact on costs through regulations that the rest of the world doesn't have.
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That's nonsense. We've talked about all the factors. We spend more than any country, for less, including those countries with a single payer. This is clear. You simply won't look at it. :roll:
 
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