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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

how could anyone, i mean, really, how could anyone allow him or herself to be dragged into a ten page debate about the dictionary meaning of a word

or another ten pages about NOT the bill that's before us all and all america but instead let's opine and speculate about the bill we WISH existed, our own precious, narcissistic ideals

while, meantime, the entire world of reality is circulating VIOLENTLY around you

the POLITICS of today are far, far more RADICAL, all sides, huge events, epic repurcussions, planet wide, than they've been in these parts since, perhaps, the war between the states, which the republicans won and the democrats lost

and some of our best and worst thinkers in this fun forum are going back and forth forever about exactly where to dot the i

it's preposterous

to allow oneself to get so small is an open manifestation, in my opinion, of a lack of self respect

i cringe for you, genuinely, often

in other words, opine less, link more

to each his own of course

party on
 
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and it aint just health care, y'know

House votes to overthrow 'czars' - Robin Bravender - POLITICO.com

there's that reality, again

ugly, no?

no wonder you prefer fantasies

more---obama's czars include a safe schools overseer whose glsn twice produced infamous fistgate exercises for public school kids at tufts, a regulatory fella who feels fido has the "legal standing" to sue his owner and hunting should be banned, a health care dude who says rationing is right and who looks to the uk for his model, a sci guy who cowrote a textbook advocating forced abortion and sterilization to control population growth, and of course the long since gone green energy guru who signed a truther petition, stated that columbine massacres were done only by suburban white kids and accused american corporations of pumping pollution into people of color communities

quite a collection of characters, there, mr commander in chief

no wonder so many normal americans think you're rather odd
 
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Someone help me out here. It seems to me that the only distinguishing and somewhat unprecedented characteristic of the health care act is that it mandates people buy insurance from private companies. Otherwise it is pretty identical to Medicare or Social Security. An interesting point.

However, isn't privatization of social security one of the classic conservative approaches to fixing social security? If that would be unconstitutional, that seems a little strange . . . can someone explain to me how privatizing social security would be different than how the health care mandate works? I'm honestly curious.
 
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Boo Radley said:
1+1=2 That's objective.
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1+1 can just as easily equal 10 or 11 or a lot of different numbers.

:)
 
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Krhazy said:
Someone help me out here. It seems to me that the only distinguishing and somewhat unprecedented characteristic of the health care act is that it mandates people buy insurance from private companies. Otherwise it is pretty identical to Medicare or Social Security. An interesting point.

However, isn't privatization of social security one of the classic conservative approaches to fixing social security? If that would be unconstitutional, that seems a little strange . . . can someone explain to me how privatizing social security would be different than how the health care mandate works? I'm honestly curious.
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The Obama plan is compulsory under penalty, the Bush privatization plan was optional and totally up to the taxpayer.
 
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Taylor said:
The Obama plan is compulsory under penalty, the Bush privatization plan was optional and totally up to the taxpayer.
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So if the individual didn't want to hand over his account to a private firm, the government would continue to hold and control it? Or social security was to become completely unmandatory?
 
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and it aint just health care, y'know

House approves rider to defund FCC net rules - Eliza Krigman - POLITICO.com

next up---planned parenthood and the corp for public broadcasting

ongoing---any and everything epa

elections have consequences

what's more---we're gonna be APPLAUDED for our leadership

unlike those oddballs who push govt takeovers of health care and the taxation of energy (in times like these) at both ends, production and consumption

ideas positively unamerican
 
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bush's soc sec privatization had workers paying a small part of their fica into private accounts they would control

obamacare's mandate forces millions of young invulnerables to pay thousands a year TO AETNA
 
a much bigger target---obama's wall street reg reform, his #2 political accomplishment (after the collapse of cap and trade), which just like his stimulus he can't talk about anymore

Dodd-Frank tensions headline Senate hearing - WPIX

this reg reform is a monster, completely inchoate, yet huge, like some nascent galaxy

it exempts fannie and fred, we all know

and it exempts small banks from obama's oft bragged about credit card redo, which allowance bernanke testifies is unworkable

exactly which kinda non-bank entities are to be covered by the dodd-frank (LOL!) reform bill are still being made up as we go along

when's the last time you heard obama talk about his reg reform?

when's the last time he said the s-word?

why isn't he talking about his pretty 9.0% jobs report for january (with the 36,000 positions created)?

did you notice that gibbs' new replacement today screwed up, actually said the s-word

the professional left, roger simon's journolisters, whom gibbs once suggested should all be drug tested, sure did

Carney slips, mentioning 'stimulus' | POLITICO 44

stay up
 
The Prof said:
this reg reform is a monster, completely inchoate, yet huge, like some nascent galaxy

it exempts fannie and fred, we all know

and it exempts small banks from obama's oft bragged about credit card redo, which allowance bernanke testifies is unworkable
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It contributed to the loss of a bunch of jobs at the company I work for also. Rather then try to mess with the reforms, they decided to sell the business to another company.
 
buck said:
It contributed to the loss of a bunch of jobs at the company I work for also. Rather then try to mess with the reforms, they decided to sell the business to another company.
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oh, my xyz company....we were making great profits; my children played in the sun.....then obama came pres.....now we are ruined.....what dishonest bull****
 
diablo45 said:
oh, my xyz company....we were making great profits; my children played in the sun.....then obama came pres.....now we are ruined.....what dishonest bull****
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Dodd-Frank regulations are a major reason that the bank portion of the business was sold and a lot of people will be losing their jobs once the deal passes regulator's reviews. That portion of the business was well-funded and providing a nice profit (in other words, the children were really playing in the sun). Its not at all dishonest. But whatever - I know nothing bad can ever happen when Obama is involved. It's all lollipops and unicorns.
 
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iamitter said:
Things that happened, like something you just suggested, can essentially be rooted to math and physics.
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Not really. How about if someone told me something. Subjective or objective?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Not really. How about if someone told me something. Subjective or objective?
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The physical act of them telling you is objective.
 
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iamitter said:
The physical act of them telling you is objective.
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Exactly. So, we know objectively Bush was told. Would you also agree that we have the physical act of what he said?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Exactly. So, we know objectively Bush was told. Would you also agree that we have the physical act of what he said?
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Not sure what you're talking about here.
I wasn't really paying attention to what was said here, I just wanted to put in my quip about math being able to describe anything physical in our world and its objectivity.
 
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iamitter said:
Not sure what you're talking about here.
I wasn't really paying attention to what was said here, I just wanted to put in my quip about math being able to describe anything physical in our world and its objectivity.
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Look, we can objectively assess that Bush recieved certain information. We can objectively say he said and made certain arguments. We have his words. And we can make a objective assessment on this. Objective only means without emotion or bias: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion. Objective | Define Objective at Dictionary.com
 
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The act of him being told was objective, what was said and how it was interpreted is subjective.
 
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Ockham said:
The act of him being told was objective, what was said and how it was interpreted is subjective.
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No. What was said, was said, and therefore objective. Interpreted. Let's try that:

"Sir, we have reason to doubt his story. He's unrelaiable."


Give me different interpretations.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Look, we can objectively assess that Bush recieved certain information. We can objectively say he said and made certain arguments. We have his words. And we can make a objective assessment on this. Objective only means without emotion or bias: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion. Objective | Define Objective at Dictionary.com
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nconstitutional-edited-65.html#post1059291067
I know :)
Not sure about assesment though - it depends on the situation. Unless you can basically follow the evidence like the scientific method, then sure. As I said before, I didn't really go into this debate for the politics of it, so I don't know what this relates to.
 
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iamitter said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nconstitutional-edited-65.html#post1059291067
I know :)
Not sure about assesment though - it depends on the situation. Unless you can basically follow the evidence like the scientific method, then sure. As I said before, I didn't really go into this debate for the politics of it, so I don't know what this relates to.
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You can approach things with reasonable objectiveness and reach reasonable objective conclusions. That's all I'm saying. I think some hide behind it being an opinion when there is real evidence that can be looked at with some reasonable objectivity.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No. What was said, was said, and therefore objective. Interpreted. Let's try that:

"Sir, we have reason to doubt his story. He's unrelaiable."


Give me different interpretations.
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What was provided was an opinion, a personal view - it's not objective, but subjective.
 
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