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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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No, not opinion, fact. The Weekly Standard article, and those who posted it, misread what is being said. That is not opinion. That is fact. That a politician's numbers are fuzzy is hardly news or unexpected. But that doesn't change what the WS is doing, or excuse those who play along with them.

That is an opion you are saying your opinion is correct and theirs is wrong
 
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J, the problem isn't needng a list, but the seeming inability to read something and not see the inaccuracy. The best example presentinly being discussed is the WS' misreading of the CBO. We should all be able to acknowledge the inaccuracy regardless of party or belief system.

The inaccuracy of what, the WSJ article or the accuracy of the CBO especially when it comes to the healthcare bill 10 years out? haven't seen your response to the question about the single payer system. Is there a problem with the question?
 
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See, I think that those who suckle off the state right now are the ones who should "Pay appropriate taxes", this mentality of soak the wealthy for everything they have only serves to drive the wealth out of this country, then what do you have? A bunch of recipient class people with no money and a broke country....


j-mac

true unless it is the privlidged who "suckle off the state"
 
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That is an opion you are saying your opinion is correct and theirs is wrong

No. It is not an opinion. There are objective standards. You can say something clearly wrong and call it an opinion. I can say we don't have a sun and say that is my opinion.
 
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planter class...but they lost their power after the wah-wah during reconstruction. regained it in the 80's using race to divide the white and black working classes...a tactic the party-for-the-rich uses today

OK I'll bite... who does the 'planter class' consist of?
And just for fun, would you give me your definition of wah-wah?

Wah wah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Some may think so. And it can be an effective tactic. But I would prefer they actually work to improve.

There are enough Democrats around to polish that turd.
 
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and exactly why do you think that is, mr mitty?

LOL!
 
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and exactly why do you think that is, mr mitty?

LOL!

Kudo's for pulling out the Mittyesque reference. Haven't heard that one in a while, but it's SO appropos.
 
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and exactly why do you think that is, mr mitty?

LOL!

Because it wouldn't pass. Not because it isn't a valid option, but because those with a vested interest in not seeing meaningful reform would start the socialism scares again. It has been an effective tactic to be sure.
 
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Because it wouldn't pass.

good, boo

that's much, much better

and those with that vested interest you reference must include the president, the party that used to enjoy SIXTY senators, mrs pelosi's house which used to enjoy a SEVENTY SIX seat plurality and the overwhelming majority of the american people who apparently don't share your fantasies
 
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No. It is not an opinion. There are objective standards. You can say something clearly wrong and call it an opinion. I can say we don't have a sun and say that is my opinion.

So you set the standards?
 
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So you set the standards?

No, that would be subjective.

objective- not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
 
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So you set the standards?

Just as much as you do. But, that is a different issue. 1+1=2 That's objective. choclate is better than vanilla. When you have the fact about what information and recieved, and what he said. And they don't match. That's objective. You thinking lying is fine is subjective.
 
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still arguing endlessly about nothing, i see

seinfeld aint the only show about nothing

LOL!
 
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Just as much as you do. But, that is a different issue. 1+1=2 That's objective.
No that's a mathematical fact.

choclate is better than vanilla.
That is what's called a "personal preference" or "opinion".

I've started to notice this: you attribute the meaning of words incorrectly a lot. Here's what the word "objective" means in it's various definitions:

Merriam-Webster said:
1
a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence —used chiefly in medieval philosophy b : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind <objective reality> <our reveries … are significantly and repeatedly shaped by our transactions with the objective world — Marvin Reznikoff> — compare subjective 3a c of a symptom of disease : perceptible to persons other than the affected individual — compare subjective 4c d : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena <objective awareness> <objective data>
2
: relating to, characteristic of, or constituting the case of words that follow prepositions or transitive verbs
3
a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment> b of a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective

When you have the fact about what information and recieved, and what he said. And they don't match. That's objective. You thinking lying is fine is subjective.
I'm not even sure what you are saying...
 
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All the laws of physics, engineering, and math are objective.

All thoughts and opinions are subjective.

ricksfolly

If I fall down. Is that fact, that I fell, objective or subjective?
 
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That leaves you and Boo out |226|


get The Smilies @ https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/14455

And doesn't leave you out? Please.
I don't care whether the bill falls or not, you're just assuming my position.

A fact that disagrees with your opinion doesn't make it any less of a fact.
 
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If I fall down. Is that fact, that I fell, objective or subjective?

Things that happened, like something you just suggested, can essentially be rooted to math and physics.
 
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Then let's just crate a sngle payer system!!

:coffeepap

Noticed you didn't answer the question as to where a single payer system cut any costs and wasn't ripe with waste, fraud, and abuse? Why are European countries trying to unravel their healthcare system? Still waiting for you to show me a single payer system that works to lower expenses and answer why you believe it will work here?
 
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