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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

The Prof said:
i don't imply, i link, read em
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Yeah, I read them. So what. The public is not only concerned with the mandate. You can post all the links you like, but they won't change that fact.

sure, that's why americans voted the greatest house turnover since 1938, the most state reps and leg's in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

because voters want obamacare to go even farther
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Again: SO WHAT. Because the GOP took the House, that means that nobody wants HC reform to go further? You should try looking at a poll sometime. You're wrong.

According to the poll, when asked if they would rather see Congress vote to repeal all of the provisions or keep them in place, 50 percent of all Americans favor repeal - even though only one in six dislike everything in the bill. Four in ten oppose such a move.

"Some provisions of the new health care law, such as changes that prevent health insurance companies from denying or dropping coverage for sick people, are extremely popular, and nearly eight in ten Americans say they like at least some aspects of the health care law," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Polls tend to show that Americans would like to repeal some parts of the new law and keep others. But that option won't be available to lawmakers when the House votes this week."

A Quinnipiac University national poll that was also released Tuesday offered similar results. According to the survey, Americans by a 48 to 43 percent margin want Congress to repeal the health care reform.

As expected, the CNN poll indicates a wide partisan divide, with less than a quarter of Democrats in favor of repeal. That number jumps to 47 percent among independent voters and 84 percent among Republicans questioned in the survey.

CNN poll: Half favor repealing health care law – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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So, most Dems don't support full repeal; most Repubs favor full repeal; and less than half of independents favor full repeal. But only one in six Americans dislikes the entire bill. Not only are you wrong, but you're discounting the opinions of half of the independent voters, most Dems and some Repubs. And in general, you are discounting the opinions of the country.

And if you really believe that Obama would ever support repeal of HC reform, you are sadly mistaken. His veto pen will never run out of ink when it comes to this law.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
So what.
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LOL!

The public is not only concerned with the mandate.
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absolutely, there's also the half T cuts to medicare while expanding its already overstrained membership by millions, the 200B burden on bankrupt states in the form of expanded medicaid, the quarter T doc fix off budget, the double counting of another quarter T according to cbo, the three quarters of a T in new "revenues" according to cbo, the ten years of taxes vs 6 of benefits, the significantly increased er traffic and costs, the refusal of tens of thousands of doctors to treat the millions of new medicare and medicaid enrollees...

and hhs' exemption of eight hundred too bigs from the yearly cap requirement

why did sebelius let em go?

what would've happened if she hadn't?

what will she say to the next 1000 applicants?

why do so many want out?

You should try looking at a poll sometime.
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there's only one poll that matters, it was conducted on the first tuesday, last november, tens of millions of americans were surveyed

And if you really believe that Obama would ever support repeal of HC reform, you are sadly mistaken.
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of course he won't

and he's getting lonelier and lonelier
 
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The Internal Revenue Service says it will need a battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers and new facilities at a cost to taxpayers of more than $359 million in fiscal 2012 just to watch over the initial implementation of President Obama's healthcare reforms.

"The ACA [Affordable Care Act] will require additional resources to build new IT systems; modify existing tax processing systems; provide taxpayer outreach and assistance services; make enhancements to notices, collections, and case management systems to address and resolve taxpayer issues timely and accurately; and conduct focused examinations to encourage compliance," said the newly released IRS budget.

In its request, the IRS explained that the tax changes associated with health reform are huge. "Implementation of the Affordable Care Act of 2010 presents a major challenge to the IRS. ACA represents the largest set of tax law changes in more than 20 years, with more than 40 provisions that amend the tax laws."

Unsaid: The requests are just the beginning, since the new healthcare program is evolving and won't be fully implemented until about 2014.

The IRS document also noted that other tax law changes related to the stimulus require more workers, estimated at about 215 new employees.
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Healthcare Reform Law Requires New IRS Army Of 1,054 - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

good luck getting funding for all that

seeya in committee, libs

bring the media
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

ptif219 said:
I am responding to those that said it would not happen. Then of course jobs will be lost

CBO Director Says Obamacare Would Reduce Employment by 800,000 Workers | The Weekly Standard
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As the Weekly Standard is often inaccurate, saying things say things they don't say, got another link? Here's an example of how this is likely not quite what you suggest:

However, the CBO prediction is a little more nuanced. Last summer's CBO report said the projected labor reduction is "largely" the result of more people voluntarily staying out of the workforce because the healthcare reform law gives them better healthcare options through an expansion of Medicaid and new state-run health insurance exchanges.


From the report:

"The expansion of Medicaid and the availability of subsidies through the exchanges will effectively increase beneficiaries’ financial resources. Those additional resources will encourage some people to work fewer hours or to withdraw from the labor market."


GOP jumps on old CBO job numbers - The Hill's Healthwatch
 
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Boo Radley said:
As the Weekly Standard is often inaccurate, saying things say things they don't say, got another link? Here's an example of how this is likely not quite what you suggest:

However, the CBO prediction is a little more nuanced. Last summer's CBO report said the projected labor reduction is "largely" the result of more people voluntarily staying out of the workforce because the healthcare reform law gives them better healthcare options through an expansion of Medicaid and new state-run health insurance exchanges.


From the report:

"The expansion of Medicaid and the availability of subsidies through the exchanges will effectively increase beneficiaries’ financial resources. Those additional resources will encourage some people to work fewer hours or to withdraw from the labor market."


GOP jumps on old CBO job numbers - The Hill's Healthwatch
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Nice spin but Obama's fuzzy math will cause more deficit
 
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ptif219 said:
Nice spin but Obama's fuzzy math will cause more deficit
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Not spin; fact. The article misrepresents what is being said.
 
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the cbo doesn't---three quarters of a T in new taxes

grow up
 
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The Prof said:
cbo, jan 7:

obamacare includes more than three quarters of a T in new taxes

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

how many times did the presidential LIAR promise he would never raise taxes on anyone under 200K?
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i'm sorry, but the folks you worship (the privlidged)...WILL begin to have to pay appropriate taxes....that's if obama can't fight off the tparty's determined to attack to prevent it
 
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diablo45 said:
i'm sorry, but the folks you worship (the privlidged)...WILL begin to have to pay appropriate taxes....that's if obama can't fight off the tparty's determined to attack to prevent it
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You seem to have that entitlement mentality that you deserve what somone else earns. Says a lot about our education system.
 
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diablo45 said:
NO DOUBT! tax cuts for the rich; hard love for the middle class
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Your class envy is showing, why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? Too bad you are more worried about what someone else pays in taxes instead of how the govt. spends that tax money.
 
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Conservative said:
Your class envy is showing, why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? Too bad you are more worried about what someone else pays in taxes instead of how the govt. spends that tax money.
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i suppose because of the way that the wealthy (through the gop), are taking our nation, quite that the way that whites took over the south after the civil war
 
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diablo45 said:
i suppose because of the way that the wealthy (through the gop), are taking our nation, quite that the way that whites took over the south after the civil war
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You live in the wrong country. Your hatred for anyone who has more than you is a sickness, seek help.
 
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diablo45 said:
i suppose because of the way that the wealthy (through the gop), are taking our nation, quite that the way that whites took over the south after the civil war
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Please tell me who you think was running the south before the civil war?
 
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cholla said:
Please tell me who you think was running the south before the civil war?
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(Buzz in) Who is White Democrats.. I will take Pre-War South for a 1,000 Alex.
 
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cholla said:
Please tell me who you think was running the south before the civil war?
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planter class...but they lost their power after the wah-wah during reconstruction. regained it in the 80's using race to divide the white and black working classes...a tactic the party-for-the-rich uses today
 
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diablo45 said:
i'm sorry, but the folks you worship (the privlidged)...WILL begin to have to pay appropriate taxes....that's if obama can't fight off the tparty's determined to attack to prevent it
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See, I think that those who suckle off the state right now are the ones who should "Pay appropriate taxes", this mentality of soak the wealthy for everything they have only serves to drive the wealth out of this country, then what do you have? A bunch of recipient class people with no money and a broke country....


j-mac
 
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ptif219 said:
In your opinion. The fact is Obama uses fuzzy math that will never happen
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No, not opinion, fact. The Weekly Standard article, and those who posted it, misread what is being said. That is not opinion. That is fact. That a politician's numbers are fuzzy is hardly news or unexpected. But that doesn't change what the WS is doing, or excuse those who play along with them.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, not opinion, fact. The Weekly Standard article, and those who posted it, misread what is being said. That is not opinion. That is fact. That a politician's numbers are fuzzy is hardly news or unexpected. But that doesn't change what the WS is doing, or excuse those who play along with them.
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Could you lay out a list of acceptable sources of information, complete, and whole so that we may discuss with you, without the summary dismissal that allows you to avoid the issue?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Could you lay out a list of acceptable sources of information, complete, and whole so that we may discuss with you, without the summary dismissal that allows you to avoid the issue?


j-mac
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J, the problem isn't needng a list, but the seeming inability to read something and not see the inaccuracy. The best example presentinly being discussed is the WS' misreading of the CBO. We should all be able to acknowledge the inaccuracy regardless of party or belief system.
 
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