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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

sorry mach, conservative has long made arguments and speeches about 'personal responsibility' and against what he considers to be socialist/liberal entitlement programs...he is being hypocritical in receiving more benefits than he paid in to social security, and in using medicare, when he has stated several times that healthcare is a 'personal responsibility', and not a government one....my point stands.

You have no clue whether or not I or anyone else will receive more benefits than one paid into the system, but that doesn't stop you from speculating. Do you care that millions of families that did invest in SS never received what they contributed because they died too early? Had those people invested in their own "safe" savings account investment the money would be significantly higher and theirs. Of course that is a good thing for those that believe the money belongs to the govt. anyway.
 
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You have no clue whether or not I or anyone else will receive more benefits than one paid into the system, but that doesn't stop you from speculating. Do you care that millions of families that did invest in SS never received what they contributed because they died too early? Had those people invested in their own "safe" savings account investment the money would be significantly higher and theirs. Of course that is a good thing for those that believe the money belongs to the govt. anyway.
not talking about anyone else...we are talking about you, and your hypocritical stances...
 
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sorry mach, conservative has long made arguments and speeches about 'personal responsibility' and against what he considers to be socialist/liberal entitlement programs...he is being hypocritical in receiving more benefits than he paid in to social security, and in using medicare, when he has stated several times that healthcare is a 'personal responsibility', and not a government one....my point stands.

All you did was restate your same argument. It's still debunked. This goes for any such argument.
If these people were not forced to pay into the system, it would be different. But since they are forced to pay for SS, they should get their SS benefits. To suggest otherwise is still...absurd.
 
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not talking about anyone else...we are talking about you, and your hypocritical stances...

And what is your proof that he is collecting more than what he put in over the years? All I can see is your claim, without the proof.


j-mac
 
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not talking about anyone else...we are talking about you, and your hypocritical stances...

Thanks for telling me how long I am going to live. I really appreciate the confidence you have and hopefully God is paying attention to you. I am sure you carry a lot of weight with him. Obviously you don't know how much I put into SS nor does that stop you from speculating. You really have missed your calling and should get a position predicting the future and then telling everyone else how much of their own money they get to keep. Good luck with that new assignment.
 
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And what is your proof that he is collecting more than what he put in over the years? All I can see is your claim, without the proof.


j-mac
Social Security (FICA) Wage Limits and Tax Rates

for years before 2011, the max you would pay in for social security is around 6 grand...max benefit is around 2300....at max benefit, you get around 27,500....you do the math....

at about half max....say 1200 a month...14,400 a year in benefits....if you paid half the max witholding....you paid in about 3 grand..14,400 minus 3 grand...you do the math...yeah, he will come out way ahead.
 
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Thanks for telling me how long I am going to live. I really appreciate the confidence you have and hopefully God is paying attention to you. I am sure you carry a lot of weight with him. Obviously you don't know how much I put into SS nor does that stop you from speculating. You really have missed your calling and should get a position predicting the future and then telling everyone else how much of their own money they get to keep. Good luck with that new assignment.
don't worry, me and the big G are tight...i'll put in a good word for ya
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Social Security (FICA) Wage Limits and Tax Rates

for years before 2011, the max you would pay in for social security is around 6 grand...max benefit is around 2300....at max benefit, you get around 27,500....you do the math....

at about half max....say 1200 a month...14,400 a year in benefits....if you paid half the max witholding....you paid in about 3 grand..14,400 minus 3 grand...you do the math...yeah, he will come out way ahead.

Well, that is the problem when you invent a ponzi scheme designed to only pay out for a couple of years based on collecting over a lifetime. If a private company were to do what the government forces me to do every week in my contribution to SS, they'd be jailed for scamming the public.

j-mac
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Social Security (FICA) Wage Limits and Tax Rates

for years before 2011, the max you would pay in for social security is around 6 grand...max benefit is around 2300....at max benefit, you get around 27,500....you do the math....

at about half max....say 1200 a month...14,400 a year in benefits....if you paid half the max witholding....you paid in about 3 grand..14,400 minus 3 grand...you do the math...yeah, he will come out way ahead.

$300/mo. at 4% return over 35 years =$275,000 dollars and it is all your money. Seems like a hard concept for you to understand, forced contribution, actual earned interest=personal retirement income that liberals believe should be given to someone else.
 
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$300/mo. at 4% return over 35 years =$275,000 dollars and it is all your money. Seems like a hard concept for you to understand, forced contribution, actual earned interest=personal retirement income that liberals believe should be given to someone else.
not the point...i'm ok with you getting your principal back, heck i'd even say take the 1% or whatever interest your contribution would have earned from government securities....but after that, if you were true to your principals, true to your core values, you would quit recieving further payments...and this still doesnt address your using medicare....healthcare is your responsibility, not the governments, remember saying that?
 
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not the point...i'm ok with you getting your principal back, heck i'd even say take the 1% or whatever interest your contribution would have earned from government securities....but after that, if you were true to your principals, true to your core values, you would quit recieving further payments...and this still doesnt address your using medicare....healthcare is your responsibility, not the governments, remember saying that?


If that is the case then give me back everything I have put in it for the past 30 years or so, and let me invest how I see fit, I am sure that I will fare better.

j-mac
 
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If that is the case then give me back everything I have put in it for the past 30 years or so, and let me invest how I see fit, I am sure that I will fare better.

j-mac
what about medicare? will you forgo that?
 
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not the point...i'm ok with you getting your principal back, heck i'd even say take the 1% or whatever interest your contribution would have earned from government securities....but after that, if you were true to your principals, true to your core values, you would quit recieving further payments...and this still doesnt address your using medicare....healthcare is your responsibility, not the governments, remember saying that?

So you believe that investing your own money for 35 years that at the end of that time you deserve to just get your investment back without interest? There is definitely something wrong with the education system in this country that created that kind of mindset. notice how you aren't getting any support here on your claims?

J-mac is correct though, simply give us back what we invested in a lump sum and let us handle it. I am for that as well instead of getting a monthly check. Day one, give us that "lock box" money.
 
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not the point...i'm ok with you getting your principal back, heck i'd even say take the 1% or whatever interest your contribution would have earned from government securities....but after that, if you were true to your principals, true to your core values, you would quit recieving further payments...and this still doesnt address your using medicare....healthcare is your responsibility, not the governments, remember saying that?

Sounds beautiful to me... when can I get my money back + interest % and stop contributing?
 
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So you believe that investing your own money for 35 years that at the end of that time you deserve to just get your investment back without interest? There is definitely something wrong with the education system in this country that created that kind of mindset. notice how you aren't getting any support here on your claims?
answer the question....remember saying that healthcare is a personal responsibility? why do you use medicare? why are you willing to take out more than you put in for social security? not really standing by those core values and everything you have preached , are you? ulike you, i don't need an 'amen choir' or someone to rush in and defend me...i'm doing just fine here.
 
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What about Medicare? Medicare is a separate tax taken out of the paycheck.
that is a government healthcare program chief....thought you were into the whole 'personal responsibility' thing?
 
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that is a government healthcare program chief....thought you were into the whole 'personal responsibility' thing?


He is. Same rule applies. I have contributed to Medicare since I started working, yet I have my own health insurance policy. So give that money back as well and let me put it in a HSA, as well as investments, and buy a catastrophic plan and I'll be just fine.


j-mac
 
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that is a government healthcare program chief....thought you were into the whole 'personal responsibility' thing?

And so give us those tax payments back as well and we'll likewise get private insurance with it. What's the big deal?
 
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He is. Same rule applies. I have contributed to Medicare since I started working, yet I have my own health insurance policy. So give that money back as well and let me put it in a HSA, and I'll be just fine.


j-mac

Let's do the same thing with Social Security - allow people to get paid back via a tax payment + interest so I can invest that money in my own retirement as I've been doing.
 
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that is a government healthcare program chief....thought you were into the whole 'personal responsibility' thing?

What part of forced contribution don't you understand? If I weren't forced to contribute you would be right, it is my responsibility but the govt. took that responsibility away from me and forced me to participate in Medicare. I know this is very hard for you to understand but I could have taken that SS money along with Medicare tax and put it towards my own retirement and health insurance. Now you are telling me that I am not entitled to my own money back and doing so makes me a hypocrit? It has to be tough to be a liberal because it makes absolutely no sense.
 
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He is. Same rule applies. I have contributed to Medicare since I started working, yet I have my own health insurance policy. So give that money back as well and let me put it in a HSA, as well as investments, and buy a catastrophic plan and I'll be just fine.


j-mac

I am convinced that randel doesn't have a clue as to where her/his money that is taken out of the paycheck actually goes and for what purpose.
 
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I am convinced that randel doesn't have a clue as to where her/his money that is taken out of the paycheck actually goes and for what purpose.


He may be confused. For years he claimed to be a conservative falsely elsewhere on the interwebs.

j-mac
 
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What part of forced contribution don't you understand? If I weren't forced to contribute you would be right, it is my responsibility but the govt. took that responsibility away from me and forced me to participate in Medicare. I know this is very hard for you to understand but I could have taken that SS money along with Medicare tax and put it towards my own retirement and health insurance. Now you are telling me that I am not entitled to my own money back and doing so makes me a hypocrit? It has to be tough to be a liberal because it makes absolutely no sense.
again, not being true to your professed beliefs...i never told you you couldnt have your money back, i just said its hypocritical on your part to get back more than you put in, and that you should refuse further payments/benefits after you got your principal plus 1% or whatever the government securities that social security is put into. if you really believed everything you spouted, you would do this.
 
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I am convinced that randel doesn't have a clue as to where her/his money that is taken out of the paycheck actually goes and for what purpose.
no confusion here pal, you just can't deal with being called to the carpet.
 
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