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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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Conservative said:
Why don't you take it up with the judge who made the ruling on behalf of the 26 states that filed against it? What if GW Bush, Reagan, or Nixon were in a similar situation and the latest court ruled against a law that they enacted? My bet is you would be outraged and calling for contempt of court charges.
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i just don't see why you are getting all excited...one judge ruled in your favor, several others against you...it will be going to the supreme court. i find it amusing that you are making this one ruling out to be the 'gold standard' for things to come.
 
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randel said:
i just don't see why you are getting all excited...one judge ruled in your favor, several others against you...it will be going to the supreme court. i find it amusing that you are making this one ruling out to be the 'gold standard' for things to come.
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My favor? Why are you so passionately for someone else paying for your own personal responsibility issue? You believe the Federal Govt. has the right to force you to buy health insurance?
 
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Conservative said:
My favor? Why are you so passionately for someone else paying for your own personal responsibility issue? You believe the Federal Govt. has the right to force you to buy health insurance?
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you view healthcare as a 'personal responsibility '(translation...if you have money you can have it, if not, tough sh$$) issue, i view it as something different...i believe you should have access to health care, other than just going to an emergency room, and that you shouldnt be 'screwed' just because you don't have or make alot of money...money should not be the deciding factor in determing access to health, sorry.
use some common sense on this issue.
 
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randel said:
you view healthcare as a 'personal responsibility '(translation...if you have money you can have it, if not, tough sh$$) issue, i view it as something different...i believe you should have access to health care, other than just going to an emergency room, and that you shouldnt be 'screwed' just because you don't have or make alot of money...money should not be the deciding factor in determing access to health, sorry.
use some common sense on this issue.
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What you fail to realize is you're not so much asking for healthcare but the access to the benefits from other peoples labor for free. Providing your family or yourself to the access to other peoples labor involves and should involve paying for it so the labor itself can be used to provide for other peoples way of life. Use some common sense on the issue.

If you wish to make money not a factor in life, why would I and would you do the labor in the first place, anyway? To help your fellow man? So I'm going to learn a trade that involves thousands of hours for good will? Ok?
 
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randel said:
you view healthcare as a 'personal responsibility '(translation...if you have money you can have it, if not, tough sh$$) issue, i view it as something different...i believe you should have access to health care, other than just going to an emergency room, and that you shouldnt be 'screwed' just because you don't have or make alot of money...money should not be the deciding factor in determing access to health, sorry.
use some common sense on this issue.
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You seem to have a misunderstanding between healthcare and healthcare insurance. Everyone has access to healthcare and a very small percentage in this country cannot afford healthcare insurance. You buy what this Administration tells you even though they haven't told you the truth once. Healthcare is a personal responsibility because much of it depends on personal activities. What you eat, drink, or how you act affects your healthcare. If the Federal Govt. can force you to buy insurance then they can force you to do anything else they want including what to eat and how to live. This country wasn't built on those principles.
 
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Henrin said:
What you fail to realize is you're not so much asking for healthcare but the access to the benefits from other peoples labor for free. Providing your family or yourself to the access to other peoples labor involves and should involve working for it so the labor itself can be used to provide for other peoples way of life. Use some common sense on the issue.

If you wish to make money not a factor in life, why would I and would you do the labor in the first place, anyway? To help your fellow man? So I'm going to learn a trade that involves thousands of hours for good will? Ok?
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sorry, no....basic health care should be a priority in this country, no one should have to wait till they are on deaths door to be seen by a doctor...this isnt a third world country. i work, i pay taxes, i don't have a problem with some of those tax dollars paying for basic health care, that benefits everyone...
 
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Conservative said:
You seem to have a misunderstanding between healthcare and healthcare insurance. Everyone has access to healthcare and a very small percentage in this country cannot afford healthcare insurance. You buy what this Administration tells you even though they haven't told you the truth once. Healthcare is a personal responsibility because much of it depends on personal activities. What you eat, drink, or how you act affects your healthcare. If the Federal Govt. can force you to buy insurance then they can force you to do anything else they want including what to eat and how to live. This country wasn't built on those principles.
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no conservative, the only one here with a misunderstanding is YOU....your whole philosophy is 'screw the rest of you, i got mine'. tell me, you get social security? medicare?
 
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randel said:
sorry, no....basic health care should be a priority in this country, no one should have to wait till they are on deaths door to be seen by a doctor...this isnt a third world country. i work, i pay taxes, i don't have a problem with some of those tax dollars paying for basic health care, that benefits everyone...
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Is that what is happening to you? Why don't you contribute to a local charity and direct it towards healthcare expenses of someone else.
 
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randel said:
no conservative, the only one here with a misunderstanding is YOU....your whole philosophy is 'screw the rest of you, i got mine'. tell me, you get social security? medicare?
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Keep trying to bait and troll randel. Boring and a waste of time. bye
 
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Conservative said:
Keep trying to bait and troll randel. Boring and a waste of time. bye
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answer my question, you get social security? medicare?
 
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Conservative said:
Yes and I paid for both just like I pay for my own healthcare
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no, you paid for the guy/gal in front of you, you didnt pay for your own, and since you didnt pay for your own, perhaps you should decline social security, and medicare...after all, you didnt provide it for yourself, but are taking from those behind you.
 
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randel said:
no, you paid for the guy/gal in front of you, you didnt pay for your own, and since you didnt pay for your own, perhaps you should decline social security, and medicare...after all, you didnt provide it for yourself, but are taking from those behind you.
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Now that is typical liberal logic, amazing. I contributed to the SS fund for 35 years and now I should decline getting my money back? No wonder liberalism is a failure.
 
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Conservative said:
Now that is typical liberal logic, amazing. I contributed to the SS fund for 35 years and now I should decline getting my money back? No wonder liberalism is a failure.
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your a self sufficient guy right? have planned for your future, right? you rail against all sorts of programs that you consider to be government, or worse yet, 'liberal' social programs....give it back, and quit receiving payments my friend...to do anything else could, oh, i don't know, could be considered hypocritical on your part?
 
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randel said:
your a self sufficient guy right? have planned for your future, right? you rail against all sorts of programs that you consider to be government, or worse yet, 'liberal' social programs....give it back, and quit receiving payments my friend...to do anything else could, oh, i don't know, could be considered hypocritical on your part?
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Everyone was forced to pay into SS and I did so for 35 years. It has nothing to do with being self sufficient but everything to do with getting back at least what you put in. Why would you invest money for 35 years and expect nothing in return? Is that the way you handle your finances, pay in and get nothing out?
 
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randel said:
sorry, no....basic health care should be a priority in this country, no one should have to wait till they are on deaths door to be seen by a doctor...this isnt a third world country. i work, i pay taxes, i don't have a problem with some of those tax dollars paying for basic health care, that benefits everyone...
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To treat it as if the government is the only way to treat people or that somehow untreated people in society could possibly have anything to do with if a country is a third world country or not is not just ignorant it's also extremely naive of the understanding of power.

no conservative, the only one here with a misunderstanding is YOU....your whole philosophy is 'screw the rest of you, i got mine'. tell me, you get social security? medicare?
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You really have no idea what his point was did you? Giving ownership of payment of care to the government gives them ownership of everything it is made of. This point has been made before and it shouldn't come to a surprise to you. Oddly, all you seem to be able to muster is an ill informed statement. that reads "your whole philosophy is 'screw the rest of you, I got mine', tell, you you get social security? medicare". Tell me what does a forced payment into a system through tax dollars that is used by people that oppose it for there is no way out of it and at least they could get what they were forced to pay into it have anything to do with this? When you figure that out, tell me.
 
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Henrin said:
To treat it as if the government is the only way to treat people or that somehow untreated people in society could possibly have anything to do with if a country is a third world country or not is not just ignorant it's also extremely naive of the understanding of power.



You really have no idea what his point was did you? Giving ownership of payment of care to the government gives them ownership of everything it is made of. This point has been made before and it shouldn't come to a surprise to you. Oddly, all you seem to be able to muster is an ill informed statement. that reads "your whole philosophy is 'screw the rest of you, I got mine', tell, you you get social security? medicare". Tell me what does a forced payment into a system through tax dollars that is used by people that oppose it for there is no way out of it and to atleast they could get what they were forced to pay into it have anything to do with this? When you figure that out, tell me.
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when you have something constructive to add to the conversation, i will be more than happy to listen to you, until then....
 
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Conservative said:
Everyone was forced to pay into SS and I did so for 35 years. It has nothing to do with being self sufficient but everything to do with getting back at least what you put in. Why would you invest money for 35 years and expect nothing in return? Is that the way you handle your finances, pay in and get nothing out?
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from reading and arguing with you over several of your stances, just seems a bit hypocritical to me....i mean you, taking money from programs that you are dead set against? again, some could construe that as being hypocritical. just sayin'
 
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randel said:
when you have something constructive to add to the conversation, i will be more than happy to listen to you, until then....
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So you have nothing.

So you can't actually figure out a way to continue to argue how lack of care of people by the government=third world country
So can't figure out how people wanting what they were forced to pay for doesn't provide you a point a worth mentioning.
You can't really figure out a way to somehow relate something needing labor to exist to a right to that labor for free.
You can't figure out that government paying for your way gives them control over it.

Ok, got it.
 
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randel said:
from reading and arguing with you over several of your stances, just seems a bit hypocritical to me....i mean you, taking money from programs that you are dead set against? again, some could construe that as being hypocritical. just sayin'
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Being dead set against them doesn't change the fact that I was FORCED to contribute. Why shouldn't I get back at least what I contributed? Your argument makes no sense so stop digging the hole deeper.
 
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randel said:
from reading and arguing with you over several of your stances, just seems a bit hypocritical to me....i mean you, taking money from programs that you are dead set against? again, some could construe that as being hypocritical. just sayin'
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What part of forced to pay for it don't you understand? So people have money taken out of their pay check for years, money they worked hard for, and you expect them to what? Say well, I'm against the idea of the program, so I don't want the benefits of my labor? Get a clue my man.
 
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Conservative said:
Being dead set against them doesn't change the fact that I was FORCED to contribute. Why shouldn't I get back at least what I contributed? Your argument makes no sense so stop digging the hold deeper.
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my argument makes more sense than you care to admit, because you know it makes you look like a hypocrite. why would you, a staunch 'conservative' , a 'pulled myself up by my bootstraps' kinda guy, a 'personal responsibility' advocate, why are you taking money from funds/programs that you have publically argued against? why are you partaking in a 'liberal' social program..? seems that should go against your very nature, being that 'self made' guy who is all into 'personal responsibility'....i would think it would be a badge of honor for you not to accept money from social security, or to have to use medicare......just sayin'
 
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randel said:
my argument makes more sense than you care to admit, because you know it makes you look like a hypocrite. why would you, a staunch 'conservative' , a 'pulled myself up by my bootstraps' kinda guy, a 'personal responsibility' advocate, why are you taking money from funds/programs that you have publically argued against? why are you partaking in a 'liberal' social program..? seems that should go against your very nature, being that 'self made' guy who is all into 'personal responsibility'....i would think it would be a badge of honor for you not to accept money from social security, or to have to use medicare......just sayin'
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Not much you post makes a lot of sense but this might be the worst, yet you keep digging the hold deeper. I understand that contributing your own money might be a foreign concept to you but unlike you, I expect to get what I contributed back plus interest so I am taking nothing that I didn't contribute. You comments are typical of what we all have come to expect from you.
 
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