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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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Conservative said:
Where is the Judicial activism here? Looks to me like they are interpreting the law. Did you read the decision? Well written and hardly judicial activism. Judicial activists ignore the Constitution.
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I think liberals are so used to judicial activism, they don't know a ruling that's actually grounded in Constitution when they see one.
 
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Hicup said:
No it won't. Obama if he's smart won't appeal it at all.


Tim-
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Well, there's yer problem. :doh

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Obamacare will be a major political issue in 2012. Obama will be playing defense.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Obamacare will be a major political issue in 2012. Obama will be playing defense.
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We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if the individual mandate is struck down by the supreme court and the rest is intact. The rest of the major provisions are quite popular, too.

In either case, it really doesn't matter what these minor judges say. It'll come down to the supreme court and kennedy in the end.
 
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buck said:
That won't work as a business model. Insurance companies would end up bankrupt in quick order. The way to do it would probably be something similar to HIPAA for individual coverage. This would result in higher premiums, but so would Obamacare, regardless of their claim.
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I thought that was part of the strategy - then the public option comes back into play and saves the day.
 
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Hicup said:
No it won't. Obama if he's smart won't appeal it at all.

Tim-
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Oh please eveyone is quick to claim Obama is brilliant but so far his actions have shown him to be of less than average intelligence. He doesn't learn from his mistakes either.

I am hoping that this ruling will be reinforced.

I would love to see some reform in the Medical field but it should cover real problems.
 
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Councilman said:
Oh please eveyone is quick to claim Obama is brilliant but so far his actions have shown him to be of less than average intelligence. He doesn't learn from his mistakes either.

I am hoping that this ruling will be reinforced.

I would love to see some reform in the Medical field but it should cover real problems.
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Well stated, haven't seen any evidence of that brilliance and intelligence. His results sure don't show it either.
 
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Chappy said:
This was not a surprise. It'll be appealed.
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Hicup said:
No it won't. Obama if he's smart won't appeal it at all.


Tim-
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Yes, it will be appealed. Obama would be stupid not to appeal it. Obama is very smart politically. And he surrounds himself with other smart people who know the law and the Constitution just as much, or more, as he does. The SCOTUS will uphold the law.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Yes, it will be appealed. Obama would be stupid not to appeal it. Obama is very smart politically. And he surrounds himself with other smart people who know the law and the Constitution just as much, or more, as he does. The SCOTUS will uphold the law.
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Where in the Constitution is an individual mandate for health insurance authorized? Did you read the ruling? Suggest you do, well written and no the law will not be withheld.
 
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Conservative said:
Where in the Constitution is an individual mandate for health insurance authorized? Did you read the ruling? Suggest you do, well written and no the law will not be withheld.
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I'm no lawyer; but the Obama administration is betting that the mandate falls under the commerce clause of the Constitution. From what I've heard of that argument, it makes sense to me. Obama knows the Constitution. His people know the Constitution. I'm guessing they made sure all of their T's were crossed and I's dotted.

I did read the ruling. So what. It's ONE judges decision. Two other judges ruled the law is constitutional. Your'e right: the law will not be withheld. It will be upheld. Glad you agree with me.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
I'm no lawyer; but the Obama administration is betting that the mandate falls under the commerce clause of the Constitution. From what I've heard of that argument, it makes sense to me. Obama knows the Constitution. His people know the Constitution. I'm guessing they made sure all of their T's were crossed and I's dotted.

I did read the ruling. So what. It's ONE judges decision. Two other judges ruled the law is constitutional. Your'e right: the law will not be withheld. It will be upheld. Glad you agree with me.
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Keep praying it will be upheld while squeezing your teddy bear real tight.
 
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Kandahar said:
The individual mandate has nothing to do with how the bill is funded. I don't think you understand the arguments why it was included in the first place.
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the invulnerables must be included in the pools to balance the exorbitant costs incurred by the rest of us, including all those pre existers

where ya been

A big chunk of the uninsured are healthy twenty-somethings who consider themselves "invulnerable." For health care reform to be successful, everyone must participate, including healthy people, to spread the risk among greater numbers.
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Health care reform bill's mandatory coverage - Washington DC Policy Reform | Examiner.com

by the way, americans wholeheartedly support doing something to help this class of our dispossessed neighbors, friends and family members

obama coulda got pre existing provisions with near unanimous support in both houses

there are a lot of other parts of his bill he coulda got piecemeal, he'd have been a hero, one part per year for 8 years

too bad he had to include all the other crap

republicans will be sure to include the good things contained in obamacare when we draft our replacement (ongoing in house budget, energy and commerce, ways and means and help)
 
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Ockham said:
Keep praying it will be upheld while squeezing your teddy bear real tight.
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Keep acting like a little child, and I'll dismiss you as such. You can say that it won't be upheld all you want. And I can say it will be upheld all I want. But the fact is that the SCOTUS will make that decision. Goodnight. Don't suck your thumb too hard.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Keep acting like a little child, and I'll dismiss you as such.
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Feel free to do whatever you'd like.

Sgt Meowenstein said:
You can say that it won't be upheld all you want.
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I'm not making any such claim... I'm simply laughing at your want and need for it to be upheld.

Sgt Meowenstein said:
And I can say it will be upheld all I want.
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Yes, you've already demonstrated that.

Sgt Meowenstein said:
But the fact is that the SCOTUS will make that decision.
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Gee will they really? :lamo

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Goodnight. Don't suck your thumb too hard.
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Squeeze teddy for me when you do you "now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the SCOTUS the Obamacare to keep" prayers!
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
I'm no lawyer; but the Obama administration is betting that the mandate falls under the commerce clause of the Constitution. From what I've heard of that argument, it makes sense to me. Obama knows the Constitution. His people know the Constitution. I'm guessing they made sure all of their T's were crossed and I's dotted.

I did read the ruling. So what. It's ONE judges decision. Two other judges ruled the law is constitutional. Your'e right: the law will not be withheld. It will be upheld. Glad you agree with me.
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Just tell me where you want me to send the check to pay for your health insurance since obviously you believe someone else should pay for it for you. Guess in your world personal responsibility always rests with someone else. The ruling is quite extensive and well written. Doubt you read it at all. The commerce clause has nothing to do with personal responsibility issues which healthcare is. That is something that rests in the states, not the Federal govt.
 
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Kandahar said:
do you have a link to Obama's statement to that effect?
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“For us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase,” the president said last September, in a spirited exchange with George Stephanopoulos on the ABC News program “This Week.”

When Mr. Stephanopoulos said the penalty appeared to fit the dictionary definition of a tax, Mr. Obama replied, “I absolutely reject that notion.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/health/policy/18health.html

indeed, judge vinson threw obama's words up against him

Judge uses Obama's words against him - Washington Times
 
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Ockham said:
Feel free to do whatever you'd like.

I'm not making any such claim... I'm simply laughing at your want and need for it to be upheld.

Yes, you've already demonstrated that.

Gee will they really? :lamo

Squeeze teddy for me when you do you "now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the SCOTUS the Obamacare to keep" prayers!
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I can see you're a real smart one. How can I argue with such genius?
 
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Chappy said:
This was not a surprise. It'll be appealed.
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Except for this:

I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house.


Judge uses Obama's words against him - Washington Times
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Man, it must suck to be an Obamabot Libbo, right now. :rofl
 
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Conservative said:
Just tell me where you want me to send the check to pay for your health insurance since obviously you believe someone else should pay for it for you. Guess in your world personal responsibility always rests with someone else. The ruling is quite extensive and well written. Doubt you read it at all. The commerce clause has nothing to do with personal responsibility issues which healthcare is. That is something that rests in the states, not the Federal govt.
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Please spare me your ultra right-wing talking points. Just because I support this law doesn't mean that I'm a lazy, no-job-having mooch. I have job. I go to work everyday. Now shut up unless you have something constructive to say.

I don't believe that everything should be handed to me. But I do believe that the citizens of this great country deserve more than they were getting. And thanks to this new (albeit imperfect) law, thousands of people in America are enjoying a better HC system. You want to take that away from them? Good luck at the ballot box in 2012.
 
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Conservative said:
The commerce clause has nothing to do with personal responsibility issues which healthcare is.
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Well, Obama's people and two federal judges disagree with you. This will be up to the SCOTUS.
 
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The individual mandate was the GOP's idea. If it is thrown out then the public option will be seen as the next viable choice. I don't think that is what most GOP people actually want.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein;1059256608]Please spare me your ultra right-wing talking points. Just because I support this law doesn't mean that I'm a lazy, no-job-having mooch. I have job. I go to work everyday. Now shut up unless you have something constructive to say.
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Of course it does for where else do the funds come from to pay for this bill? Think the money fairy will just drop in and pay your premiums? Why do you think the Federal Tax payer should fund the health insurance for someone else?

I don't believe that everything should be handed to me. But I do believe that the citizens of this great country deserve more than they were getting. And thanks to this new (albeit imperfect) law, thousands of people in America are enjoying a better HC system. You want to take that away from them? Good luck at the ballot box in 2012.
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Won't need a lot of luck at the ballot box only a continuation of the Obama results. You seem to not quite understand the role of the Federal govt. Did you ever take a civics or history class? If you have a healthcare problem it is a state and local issue, not a bureaucrat from D.C. administering a program. There are states now that have healthcare programs so why is this a federal issue? If you cannot get your state to act, why pass that problem on to the Federal Taxpayer?

Name for me one Federal Program for social programs that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do and solved a problem? You claim that thousands of Americans are enjoying better health care when the bill hasn't even gone into effect. How can that be? The point is we don't need Obamacare to improve the healthcare system. Identify the costs, all of them, and that wasn't done.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Well, Obama's people and two federal judges disagree with you. This will be up to the SCOTUS.
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Obama's people disagree? Well, hell! Let's rock on then!

Since ****ing when are, "Obama's people", the authorities on what's constitutional and what isn't? I mean, damn, they don't have the authority to make that call. :rofl
 
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CriticalThought said:
The individual mandate was the GOP's idea. If it is thrown out then the public option will be seen as the next viable choice. I don't think that is what most GOP people actually want.
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I think that would spell disaster for the Libbos.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Well, Obama's people and two federal judges disagree with you. This will be up to the SCOTUS.
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Right, it will and I haven't seen any evidence that Obama knows what he is talking about on any issue but it will probably be a 5-4 decision that strikes the bill. The Commerce clause does not cover inactivity thus the individual mandate is unconstitutional. This is a country built on individual freedoms and a limited federal govt. If this is Constitutional then what is to stop the govt. from making other mandates as well?
 
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