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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

single payer---LOL!

more fantasies
 
That's nonsense. We've talked about all the factors. We spend more than any country, for less, including those countries with a single payer. This is clear. You simply won't look at it. :roll:

No, we haven't talked about all factors, yours is about access and access doesn't reduce costs, never has and never will. Obamacare does nothing to lower costs and you know it. Costs may be a problem but never have the costs been identified including regululations, taxes, ability to sell across state lines, R&D testing requirements, drug costs, cost of living, pay ranges. Keep dodging all because your state doesn't do what you want it to do.

States are a labratory and instead of focusing on that issue you and other liberals want a one size fits all for 300+ million Americans. Never has worked and never will work.
 
No, we haven't talked about all factors, yours is about access and access doesn't reduce costs, never has and never will. Obamacare does nothing to lower costs and you know it. Costs may be a problem but never have the costs been identified including regululations, taxes, ability to sell across state lines, R&D testing requirements, drug costs, cost of living, pay ranges. Keep dodging all because your state doesn't do what you want it to do.

States are a labratory and instead of focusing on that issue you and other liberals want a one size fits all for 300+ million Americans. Never has worked and never will work.

yes, we have. Countless times. The fact that you have ingored it speaks volumes. But, the fact remains, we pay more for less than single payers.
 
yes, we have. Countless times. The fact that you have ingored it speaks volumes. But, the fact remains, we pay more for less than single payers.

Why do we pay more than other countries of the world then and why are foreign countries dismantling their socialist healthcare model by trying to privatize it?
 
Why do we pay more than other countries of the world then and why are foreign countries dismantling their socialist healthcare model by trying to privatize it?

Same reasons we're struggling. Other factors effect the budgets other than health care. And the movement isn't as large as your side tries to pretend it is. Only a few small moves have been made. The fact remains, they pay less for more than we do.
 
Same reasons we're struggling. Other factors effect the budgets other than health care. And the movement isn't as large as your side tries to pretend it is. Only a few small moves have been made. The fact remains, they pay less for more than we do.

"They" have less population, less area to cover, lower corporate tax rates, lower R&D expenses, lower average wages. We pay more because we can, because we do have higher tax rates on companies, more people to cover, greater personal choices that lead to obesity and drug usage, higher illegal alien expenses. You have never proposed identifying expenses and cutting them because to you it is all about access, not cost control.
 
"They" have less population, less area to cover, lower corporate tax rates, lower R&D expenses, lower average wages. We pay more because we can, because we do have higher tax rates on companies, more people to cover, greater personal choices that lead to obesity and drug usage, higher illegal alien expenses. You have never proposed identifying expenses and cutting them because to you it is all about access, not cost control.

It's measured as a percentage, so no, your weak attempt there doesn't wash. And corporate tax doesn't play a role there. And shows the problem we have with attaching insurance to business instead of government. Again, we've been through this. We pay more for less.
 
oh, yes, absolutely, more for less

just like the gramma who paid half a mil into soc sec and got SQUAT cuz she died a few months too soon

;)
 
It's measured as a percentage, so no, your weak attempt there doesn't wash. And corporate tax doesn't play a role there. And shows the problem we have with attaching insurance to business instead of government. Again, we've been through this. We pay more for less.

Don't know about you but I get more than I pay as do millions. My wife had colon cancer in 2009 and got the best treatment and is now is cancer free. We have the best medical care in the world and you want to turn it into the DMV.
 
Don't know about you but I get more than I pay as do millions. My wife had colon cancer in 2009 and got the best treatment and is now is cancer free. We have the best medical care in the world and you want to turn it into the DMV.

No, I don't. But if you do, aren't you part of the problem?
 
aren't you part of the problem?

so the gramma who paid in a half mil more than she got out is THE SOLUTION?

LOL!

it's amazing anyone could come up with so much deep, fully thought-out ideas so FAST

;)
 
No, I don't. But if you do, aren't you part of the problem?

Unlike you I am happy to live in this country with the healthcare system we have. Part of the problem is the constant whining of liberals who haven't a clue as to what they are whining about. Until you address the costs associated with healthcare adding more people to the roles isn't going to lower costs. Obamacare does nothing to lower costs.
 
Unlike you I am happy to live in this country with the healthcare system we have. Part of the problem is the constant whining of liberals who haven't a clue as to what they are whining about. Until you address the costs associated with healthcare adding more people to the roles isn't going to lower costs. Obamacare does nothing to lower costs.

Yes, I know. Facts be damned, just say go team!!!!


:coffeepap
 
substance: the white house surrenders again, a biggie

today: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/us/politics/01health.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

totally predictable, what else would top the governors' assn agenda?

they been bellyachin since obamacare began

and there's more to come---the eligibility battle and the forced funding of the extra 16 million on medicaid

why do so many want OUT?

Helping Americans Keep the Coverage They Have and Promoting Transparency | HHS.gov

why does the white house keep letting em go?

why in his sadsack sotu did ahab obama prioritize RACE TO THE TOP above his great domestic achievement?

Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address : NPR

LOL!

obamacare is a disaster---economically, socially, politically

live it, libs, love it, it's YOURS
 

obama_surrender_flag.jpg
 
oh, yes, absolutely, more for less

just like the gramma who paid half a mil into soc sec and got SQUAT cuz she died a few months too soon

;)

I thought this was about healthcare, not SS.
 
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oh, yes, absolutely, more for less

just like the gramma who paid half a mil into soc sec and got SQUAT cuz she died a few months too soon

;)
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Typical Rep ploy, cherry picking situations to prove your point, completely ignoring the other side.

For every granmma who died too soon, there are thousand who lived to get their SS.


As for myself, I've been getting SS checks every month for twenty years... Ten times more than I put in from 1942 to 1991... and growing every month.

ricksfolly
 
Typical Rep ploy

LOL!

a person making 70K will have to receive soc sec benefits for more than 40 years just to get back his or her principal investment

and if you die a month too soon...
 
LOL!

a person making 70K will have to receive soc sec benefits for more than 40 years just to get back his or her principal investment

and if you die a month too soon...

did anyone ever explain to you that SS was never meant to be your investment vehicle? you pay a SS TAX.......as does your employer.
 
yup, a half mil in, over the course of a typical worker's career

and if she dies a week too soon...

even if she doesn't, she's gonna have to cash an awful lot of soc sec checks to get back even HALF of what she paid in

soc sec---biggest boondoggle this side of red china

a govt program---especially one of this magnitude---in need of such massive FIX is a FAILURE

raise the retirement age, decrease benefits, increase contributions, higher income cap...

the prescription for reform must include ALL the poison pills

Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs Simpson And Bowles Release Eye-Popping Recommendations | TPMDC

why can't soc sec keep its promises?
 
I'm against the health care reforms because they were half-assed and just gave the insurance companies - the ones who are the reason why health care in the U.S. is more expensive than anywhere in the west - more power and money.

It's sad to see though that most people are against it just because it's a) by Obama, b) public health care and that's socialist, USSR, commie pinkos invading our nation, or c) 'we have a right to be gouged if we want by insurance companies!' disguised as personal responsibility garbage.
 
nonsense, the reasons millions of americans oppose obamacare and so richly rewarded the party of NO on tsunami tuesday include:

half a T cuts to medicare

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase:

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

doctors refuse new medicare patients:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

more than three quarters of a T in new taxes

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

why did sebelius let 800 toobigs go?

why did they want out?

what's she gonna say to the next 1000 applicants?

grow up
 
I will put US doctors up against Canada or England any day

Yes, I know you would. However, that has little to do with anything I can think of. :coffeepap
 
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