Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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Conservative said:
Not much you post makes a lot of sense but this might be the worst, yet you keep digging the hold deeper. I understand that contributing your own money might be a foreign concept to you but unlike you, I expect to get what I contributed back plus interest so I am taking nothing that I didn't contribute. You comments are typical of what we all have come to expect from you.

no...i'm sorry, your answer is incorrect....you will , if you live long enough, draw more out than you ever put in.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2011

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randel said:
no...i'm sorry, your answer is incorrect....you will , if you live long enough, draw more out than you ever put in.

That is a different issue than the one you started with, typical diversion.

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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Conservative said:
That is a different issue than the one you started with, typical diversion.

i've proven that you might just be a tad bit hypocritical, my work is done here. you use the very programs you rail against, and you proved my point, which was how you look at things, which was 'screw the rest of you, as long as i get mine'.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2011

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randel said:
i've proven that you might just be a tad bit hypocritical, my work is done here. you use the very programs you rail against, and you proved my point, which was how you look at things, which was 'screw the rest of you, as long as i get mine'.

Of course you are done because once again you cannot defend your position on me getting back what I contributed to SS over my 35 year work career. There is no logic in your argument and there is no guarantee that I will get back every dime I put in. If I don't then what? You are against me getting my money back because you believe someone else deserves my money more than I do. I call that liberalism where you know better than others. You seem to have difficulty understanding the term "mine" because what I put in was mine and what you put in is "yours." Why you don't believe you deserve to get yours out is beyond me or is just that I don't deserve to get back what I put in? Before calling someone else a hypocrite you better define the argument differently. I don't see you getting a lot of support here for your argument. So, run, randel, for that is what you do best.

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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Conservative said:
Of course you are done because once again you cannot defend your position on me getting back what I contributed to SS over my 35 year work career. There is no logic in your argument and there is no guarantee that I will get back every dime I put in. If I don't then what? You are against me getting my money back because you believe someone else deserves my money more than I do. I call that liberalism where you know better than others. You seem to have difficulty understanding the term "mine" because what I put in was mine and what you put in is "yours." Why you don't believe you deserve to get yours out is beyond me or is just that I don't deserve to get back what I put in? Before calling someone else a hypocrite you better define the argument differently. I don't see you getting a lot of support here for your argument. So, run, randel, for that is what you do best.

keep spinning.....yes, it is hypocritical to enjoy the benefits of programs you preach against. i thought you did 'well' for yourself, that you supposedly 'ran' a business with x amount of employees worth millions of dollars...if that were the case, you should be financially set, and have no need for government/'liberal' social programs....that, and the fact that you constantly preach about 'personal responsibility'....yeah, just a tad bit hypocritical...doesnt help your credibility.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2011

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randel said:
keep spinning.....yes, it is hypocritical to enjoy the benefits of programs you preach against. i thought you did 'well' for yourself, that you supposedly 'ran' a business with x amount of employees worth millions of dollars...if that were the case, you should be financially set, and have no need for government/'liberal' social programs....that, and the fact that you constantly preach about 'personal responsibility'....yeah, just a tad bit hypocritical...doesnt help your credibility.

Apparently the concept of keeping your own money is something you don't understand nor do you understand that being forced to contribute doesn't make it hypocritical to get your money back. You apparently don't understand the term credibility because your argument has none.

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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Conservative said:
Apparently the concept of keeping your own money is something you don't understand nor do you understand that being forced to contribute doesn't make it hypocritical to get your money back. You apparently don't understand the term credibility because your argument has none.

:lamo yep, hypocritical...when you get back what you put in(no interest on it), are you going quit accepting payments from social security?

Conservative · Feb 7, 2011

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randel said:
:lamo yep, hypocritical...when you get back what you put in(no interest on it), are you going quit accepting payments from social security?

No, and anyone who is forced to contribute 35 years into SS deserves to get their money back and the interest they would have earned had they invested it themselves. that is never going to happen. Do a little exercise, take your contribution and your employers and put it into an investment calculator at 4% interest rate and see how much money you would have in 35 years? Stop with the typical liberal bs, it isn't selling here.

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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Conservative said:
No, and anyone who is forced to contribute 35 years into SS deserves to get their money back and the interest they would have earned had they invested it themselves. that is never going to happen. Do a little exercise, take your contribution and your employers and put it into an investment calculator at 4% interest rate and see how much money you would have in 35 years? Stop with the typical liberal bs, it isn't selling here.

why do you deserve interest? you will more than likely get back more than several times what you paid in....you will be taking from the generations behind you as it is. no interest.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2011

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randel said:
why do you deserve interest? you will more than likely get back more than several times what you paid in....you will be taking from the generations behind you as it is. no interest.

Do you have any idea how much I contributed to SS in 35 years? Doesn't stop you from that liberal arrogance of knowing all. You have no clue just like you don't understand the concept of investing your own money. why would anyone expect to get their money back with interest? If someone forces you to invest why wouldn't you expect interest?

ricksfolly · Feb 7, 2011

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randel said:
no...i'm sorry, your answer is incorrect....you will , if you live long enough, draw more out than you ever put in.

You're right... My SS checks started in 1991 and so far I got back 9 times more than I put in... and growing every month.

ricksfolly

Conservative · Feb 7, 2011

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ricksfolly said:
You're right... My SS checks started in 1991 and so far I got back 9 times more than I put in... and growing every month.

ricksfolly

Good for you, did you send back to the govt. that which is over what you contributed and if not why not?

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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Conservative said:
Do you have any idea how much I contributed to SS in 35 years? Doesn't stop you from that liberal arrogance of knowing all. You have no clue just like you don't understand the concept of investing your own money. why would anyone expect to get their money back with interest? If someone forces you to invest why wouldn't you expect interest?

the question was, once you got your initial investment back, will you decline further payments from social security? i didnt ask you to start off on your whole 'you don't know crap, you are a liberal...blah blah blah...liberal....blahblahblah..liberal' spiel

what i said stands, odds are, with inflation, and assuming you don't keel over early, you will get your money back several times over...are you willing to decline further social security payments after you get your initial investment back? or are you going to be a hypocrite and live off the 'tax payers' for the rest of your life?? what about medicare? i would think you wouldnt be on it, as health care is a 'personal responsibility'...remember?

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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ricksfolly said:
You're right... My SS checks started in 1991 and so far I got back 9 times more than I put in... and growing every month.

ricksfolly

thank you...

randel · Feb 7, 2011

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"crickets".....

Taylor · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
no...i'm sorry, your answer is incorrect....you will , if you live long enough, draw more out than you ever put in.

Good God I hope so.

The Barbarian · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
:lamo yep, hypocritical...when you get back what you put in(no interest on it), are you going quit accepting payments from social security?

Not sure about the rest here, but I would be more then happy to settle for a lump sum payment of all I've paid into SS and Medicare, and be able to add that into IRA's or other retirement programs that paid an interest on invested money.

Now randel, this is just a question, but do you have a IRA, or a 401K ? If you do, do you expect to be able to get your money out of it? How is SS any different?

Sgt Meowenstein · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
I don't have to prove him wrong, read the ruling and take it up with the Judge. There is no severability clause in the law therefore the entire law is unconstitutional because of the mandate

Yes, you do. You seem to think that the ruling means that the entire law is void in the entire country. You're wrong. I pointed out where you're wrong. The ruling only applies to the districts that the court has jurisdiction over. Also, the provisions of the law that have already been implemented are still in place. Therefore, the entire law hasn't been thrown out. Only the SCOTUS can make that call. What don't you understand about this? You're wrong. If you think you're so right, then prove me wrong. Give me some proof, not your opinion.

Sgt Meowenstein · Feb 8, 2011

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Taylor said:
The entire law is currently unconstitutional in over 50% of the country right now. That's just the law. Like I said, if Obama doesn't like it, he can ask for a stay or file an appeal.

But that doesn't make the entire law unconstitutional in the entire country, like some people here have argued.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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The Barbarian said:
Not sure about the rest here, but I would be more then happy to settle for a lump sum payment of all I've paid into SS and Medicare, and be able to add that into IRA's or other retirement programs that paid an interest on invested money.

Now randel, this is just a question, but do you have a IRA, or a 401K ? If you do, do you expect to be able to get your money out of it? How is SS any different?

yes , i do have a 401k, and hope to get money out someday....conservative has always railed against what he considers to be socialist/liberal 'entitlement' programs....i asked him if he would be willing to refuse further payments from social security, and to remove himself from his medicare plan...i've tied this into what is his proclaimed view of 'personal responsibiltiy', which ties into this thread, in that he views health care as a personal responsibility. if healthcare is a personal responsibility in his view, why is he on medicare? he has stated before that he would like to do away with social security, so....why is he on it? seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
yes , i do have a 401k, and hope to get money out someday....conservative has always railed against what he considers to be socialist/liberal 'entitlement' programs....i asked him if he would be willing to refuse further payments from social security, and to remove himself from his medicare plan...i've tied this into what is his proclaimed view of 'personal responsibiltiy', which ties into this thread, in that he views health care as a personal responsibility. if healthcare is a personal responsibility in his view, why is he on medicare? he has stated before that he would like to do away with social security, so....why is he on it? seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You signify the difference between a liberal in a conservative in that you believe one should be FORCED to contribute into a SS fund for 35 years and then refuse payment when it is time to receive benefits. That says a lot about you and your ideology.

I am "on" Social Security because I was forced to be on it.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
You signify the difference between a liberal in a conservative in that you believe one should be FORCED to contribute into a SS fund for 35 years and then refuse payment when it is time to receive benefits. That says a lot about you and your ideology.

I am "on" Social Security because I was forced to be on it.

nobody is forcing you to STAY on it....you are doing that by choice, and in the long run, will draw out more than you ever put in .....hmmmm....seems you feel 'entitled'....wait...i thought that went against your core beliefs? a man who has railed against the benefits, now feeling 'entitled' to them....hmmmm....if you were truly a man who believed in what he has been preaching, you would refuse social security and medicare outright, after all, it is your 'personal responsibility' to provide for yourself. right?

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
nobody is forcing you to STAY on it....you are doing that by choice, and in the long run, will draw out more than you ever put in .....hmmmm....seems you feel 'entitled'....wait...i thought that went against your core beliefs? a man who has railed against the benefits, now feeling 'entitled' to them....hmmmm....if you were truly a man who believed in what he has been preaching, you would refuse social security and medicare outright, after all, it is your 'personal responsibility' to provide for yourself. right?

No one forced me to contribute to SS? Interesting. Your argument isn't worth the space. Anyone that doesn't believe they are entitled to THEIR money back isn't worth the effort. why is it you expect to get your money back from your 401K but not from SS? You think it is your obligation to contribute your money for 35 years and get nothing back?

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
No one forced me to contribute to SS? Interesting. Your argument isn't worth the space. Anyone that doesn't believe they are entitled to THEIR money back isn't worth the effort. why is it you expect to get your money back from your 401K but not from SS? You think it is your obligation to contribute your money for 35 years and get nothing back?

i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....

No, I will not terminate my benefits as I will never get out of SS what I would have made from investments into a private investment account over the same period of time. If you think you should contribute to SS for 35 years, get no return from that investment then by all means do it. The money I invested into SS is for my family, not for me.