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Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

For a long time, I have said that if you want to curb illegal immigration of our southern border, the easiest way to do so, is to hammer those that employee those illegals.

There is however a side effect to this, that most American's will not like, I happen to work in an industry that is dominated by Mexican workers most can and do have a SS card and a drivers license. I know this because I have to have copies on file, and have to be able to produce them to protect the company I work for from such fines being levied.

I work in the construction industry, and have had Fred Flintstone, Bill Clinton, and John Wayne to list a few working on my sites. But by the law, the company is covered because we have SS cards and drivers licenses on file. So the law is very weak, and only those that have a blatant disregard for it are ever fined.

The side effect I mentioned is going to be higher costs, in rental apartments, housing developments, and even most commercial projects, which in return is going to lead to higher rental costs, and higher costs in affordable housing.

The higher costs come from various things, not just wages, because many of the subcontracting crews pay these people well, or it might be better to say they earn a good wage, the major difference being that most are not paid an hourly wage, they are paid for production, the more they produce, the more they are paid, and they as a whole, tend to work harder, longer, and their production, far exceeds that of hourly workers.

This is not an attack on the American work force, it's just stating something that is factual, and American people are sometimes fickle when it comes to wanting things produced and made by American's then being presented with such things, only to find them more expensive.

Yep, and it's not your responsibility to check to make sure all thos DL's and SSC's are legit.

I doubt, though, that we'll see an effort by the government to launch an investigation into how many illegals are stealing identities.
 
Incorrect. Many illegals pay various taxes on the federal level.

But, most don't. Most rat-hole millions in American cash and smuggle that money out of the country.
 
They do pay tax's when they buy stuff, they aren't paying all the taxes they would, but don't pretend they don't pay anything. Also I don't classify illegal immigrants as bad people, just people trying to improve their lives, and I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, while also stopping the people exploiting the illegal immigrants by giving them jobs at unreasonable wages. That will solve illegal immigration.

Then, they will come here legally and work for $3 an hour, undercutting American labor.
 
Incorrect. Many illegals pay various taxes on the federal level.

Disagree, far more are hired as independant contractors, and no federal taxes are taken from their pay. again .. not all ..but most
 
Then, they will come here legally and work for $3 an hour, undercutting American labor.

If they come here legally they can't work for 3 dollars an hour.
 
You do not (and can't possibly) know that. Illegals that pay income taxes do it using a fabricated or stolen identity. Their success in doing so depends on their ability to do so without being noticed.

What did I just say?
 
You do not (and can't possibly) know that. Illegals that pay income taxes do it using a fabricated or stolen identity. Their success in doing so depends on their ability to do so without being noticed.

understand this, I'm only speaking for the construction industy, and I do know this for that industry, most all are independant contractors, most send the better part of their paychecks ..... I shouldn't use that term, as most are paid in cash, back to Mexico .... they wil live 10 to 15 in a 3 or 4 bedroom rented house to cut down on their expenses.
 
Yep, and it's not your responsibility to check to make sure all thos DL's and SSC's are legit.

Actually, no, the Federal I-9 form requires no such thing. It requires that you be presented with proof of citizenship or residency, that you record the associated control numbers, and it highly recommends that you make copies. That's it.
 
Actually, no, the Federal I-9 form requires no such thing. It requires that you be presented with proof of citizenship or residency, that you record the associated control numbers, and it highly recommends that you make copies. That's it.

Again, what did I just say?

You're agreeing with me, in the belief that you're proving me wrong. :lamo
 
Actually, no, the Federal I-9 form requires no such thing. It requires that you be presented with proof of citizenship or residency, that you record the associated control numbers, and it highly recommends that you make copies. That's it.

Exactly right, just as I said the law in reality has no teeth to it. Only those companies that blantantly ignore the law, are the ones caught and fined
 
As contract labor, they can work for any amount they want.

If that is true so can any other American, I fail to see the relation.
 
If that is true so can any other American, I fail to see the relation.

Of course any American can, but alot of Americans aren't going to work for $3 an hour.

It's hard enough to get Americans to do manual labor for $100+ a day, much less $30 a day.
 
This ^^^^

I cannot support enough ICE raids and holding company's / corporations responsible and fining them heavily for hiring illegals. If I had my way, I'd fine company's who knowingly hire illegals $1M per illegal, and tack it onto their IRS taxes for the rest of their lives. Of course, I'd post a public notice 90 days before hand, with a short bio on all the officers who will be carrying out the raid, just to show how fair and serious I'd be in carrying it out.

First thing on Monday morning and I find myself in agreement with my conservative friends here. Is this omen for an odd week ahead?

That said, I am not in agreement with the $1M per illegal as I think justice should be certain on those that violate and not levied on a surrogate. One company should not pay of the sins of another, just its own sins.... but companies should realize that if you hire an illegal it could cost you big-time.
 
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But, most don't. Most rat-hole millions in American cash and smuggle that money out of the country.

If you could prove it, you would have done so already.

From the same source:

The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100%, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5% of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.
 
If you could prove it, you would have done so already.

From the same source:

Data like this can be very misleading, because it doesn't take anything else into consideration, I'll accept that they pay the reported 9 billion, but in reading your post ( I'm sorry I think I missed your link to the information) it states that they paid 9 billion in taxes on 75 billion in wages, that works out to 12% of their reported wages, that is more then what is paid into SS and Medicare so I think we have to assume that also includes federal income tax.

That aside, one has to consider the expense of illegals as well, to our welfare rolls, our health costs, and crime as well.
Right now the closest numbers I can find is 120,589,850* that is legally working in the US so to make up for the sold called benefit paid into SS, each legal working member of the US would have to pay and additional $1.45 per week.

So altho you proved that yes some pay taxes, there is very little and most probably no benefit that citizens reap from this.
 
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That is simply not true. When they purchase fuel, consumables, etc..., they are paying taxes as well. They also pay federal income taxes.



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I'd call that a
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Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it.

So if it is hard to tally then how can we rely on the 9 billion dollar figure? How about an estimate of how much taxes are not being paid? If all of the jobs were legal and all of them were paying taxes I am pretty sure it would be a net gain.
 
when you ain't getting paid squat, and you can claim a few dependents, they don't take much out of your pay for taxes, and if you file at the end of the year, you can get earned income tax credit, EITC, which pays refunds even tho you didn't pay any into the system....but I don't know the rules on that. Can immigrants get that?
 
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