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White House to Push Gun Control

Boo Radley said:
HAve you listened to these? I suggest you do, as they do not make your case.
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Yes they did. A member of the Obama administration mentioned operation gunrunner is explaining what is being done on the border. That is fast and furious. Obama knew and so did Holder.
 
ptif219 said:
Yes they did. A member of the Obama administration mentioned operation gunrunner is explaining what is being done on the border. That is fast and furious. Obama knew and so did Holder.
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Is being done, not that he had the details to the program. Look, the president as us to have a new program at the school. I hire a person to develop and implement the program. I know there is a program, but I don't know all the details. The college president knows even less. She may ask if it is progressing, but she does not get involved in all the details. She delegates that. That is how it works.
 
ptif219 said:
Yes they did. A member of the Obama administration mentioned operation gunrunner is explaining what is being done on the border. That is fast and furious. Obama knew and so did Holder.
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sounds like grounds for impeachment
 
Boo Radley said:
Asking for actual evidence is not equal to refusing to see any fault.
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why did melson testify doj tried to limit his communication?

why was melson pressured to resign?

weren't the dea and the fbi involved?

shills make useful idiots
 
Boo Radley said:
Is being done, not that he had the details to the program. Look, the president as us to have a new program at the school. I hire a person to develop and implement the program. I know there is a program, but I don't know all the details. The college president knows even less. She may ask if it is progressing, but she does not get involved in all the details. She delegates that. That is how it works.
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So 3 dept are invovled and they did this without apprval from Obama. Then I guess that means Obama knew nothing about the Bin Laden operation either.

Programs of this magnitude get the permission from the president.
 
ptif219 said:
It is when you have been shown evidence and you still try to protect Obama
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Delusions aside, just because you think something is evidence doesn't mean it is. :coffeepap
 
ptif219 said:
So 3 dept are invovled and they did this without apprval from Obama. Then I guess that means Obama knew nothing about the Bin Laden operation either.

Programs of this magnitude get the permission from the president.
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He was not likely inform of every detail of the Bin Lauden operation, but he was more likely to know more about that than fast and furious. You do understand the meaning of the word delegating, don't you?
 
ptif219 said:
Thats your proof a site that wants to ban hand guns? They even include suicide.

Nice try but not credible

What no response to the links in post 916?
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In case you don't know it, suicide is shooting yourself. It is appropriate to include that number.
 
TurtleDude said:
Kleck and Lott-both of whom started as gun restrictionists have rejected that bunk

1998? You just cut your own throat

you said to injure or kill in self defense

if I drive off a perp with a gun or capture one (as I have) without shooting him I have protected myself

limiting the study to actual discharges of weapons is biased and stupid

how many times do cops shoot criminals as opposed to use a gun to arrest them without injury?
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No, your willingness to acept what they said tells us about you, and not about the facts. They had no hard numbers, no actual, verifiable evidence for their numbers. You accept them because it suits you to do so. But if you used half as high a standard as you use to reject actual, verifiable numbers, you would laugh at Kleck and Lott. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
No, your willingness to acept what they said tells us about you, and not about the facts. They had no hard numbers, no actual, verifiable evidence for their numbers. You accept them because it suits you to do so. But if you used half as high a standard as you use to reject actual, verifiable numbers, you would laugh at Kleck and Lott. :coffeepap
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hear hear!!!!!

you my friend, are one smart fellow.
 
Boo Radley said:
In case you don't know it, suicide is shooting yourself. It is appropriate to include that number.
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If it were not the gun it would be something else. The gun being there did not cause it. As a matter of fact ignorance of how to take care of a gun does not prove anything.
 
Boo Radley said:
He was not likely inform of every detail of the Bin Lauden operation, but he was more likely to know more about that than fast and furious. You do understand the meaning of the word delegating, don't you?
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According to Obama he was deeply involved in the Bin Laden operation. This leads me to believe he had a hand in the fast and furious operation.
 
Boo Radley said:
You do understand the meaning of the word delegating, don't you?
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delegating GUN SALES?

to MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS?

is HE completely outta his mind?

LOL!

well, uhh, yeah, it's true, uhh, i was aware that, uhh, certain agencies within the dept of justice were involved in efforts to track activities in mexico that did, uhh, involve, uhh, the SALE of GUNS to SUSPECTS we intended to surveil...

but when it, uhh, comes to the OPERATIONAL DETAILS of these, uhh, programs...

you do know the meaning of the word delegating, don't you?

LOL!
 
ptif219 said:
According to Obama he was deeply involved in the Bin Laden operation. This leads me to believe he had a hand in the fast and furious operation.
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Quite naturally. if someting goes well, The Obama and His minions will do all they can to take all the credit; if somethning goes poorly, The Obama will deny any knowledge of it; His minions will defend Him at all costs.
 
ptif219 said:
So 3 dept are invovled and they did this without apprval from Obama.
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If The Obama were a Republican, the liberals would demand that He fire the people that put this in place.
I see neither pitchforks nor torches.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
If The Obama were a Republican, the liberals would demand that He fire the people that put this in place.
I see neither pitchforks nor torches.
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Silence speaks volumes...
 
PzKfW IVe said:
the liberals would demand that He fire the people that put this in place
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so would the ny times

remember, these are the people who went after sarah palin for the shooting of poor ms giffords in tucson

but forty thousand guns sold to mexican drug cartels by three agencies of eric i-didn't-know holder's doj which, more typically, is usually impressively busy and active

y'know, suing the people of arizona, trying to move the trial of ksm to manhattan, pushing drill bans thru the courts...

hey, with important stuff like that on your desk, who has the time or energy to get into OPERATIONAL DETAILS

LOL!
 
PzKfW IVe said:
If The Obama were a Republican, the liberals would demand that He fire the people that put this in place.
I see neither pitchforks nor torches.
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hasn't the person responsible resigned? Who knows, there may have been pressure above for that. Point it, no good job Brownie. Just a resignation.
 
ptif219 said:
According to Obama he was deeply involved in the Bin Laden operation. This leads me to believe he had a hand in the fast and furious operation.
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Again, belief means nothing. You need evidence. Actual, factual, on point evidence.
 
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