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White House to Push Gun Control

probably staffed by the same sort of liars.Josh Sugarmann is well known as both dishonest and wanting complete gun bans

Yes, I know, anyone who disagrees is a liar. This is fully understood. But, again, these numbers are found repeatedly.
 
If those stats were the stats you brought up with the VPC link, you might have been able to interest me in your argument. Keeping it clumsy and dishonest is not so funny anymore though......

All those numbers are along the same line. You really do seem to merely be behaving contrary and not addressing anything. Nor has any one addressed the actual point. I suspect there is a reason for that.

Allow me to repeat the actual point:

Law enforcement agencies do not collect information on the number of times civilians use firearms to defend themselves or their property against attack. Such data have been collected in household surveys. The contradictory nature of the available statistics may be partially explained by methodological factors. That is, these and other criminal justice statistics reflect what is reported to have occurred, not necessarily the actual number of times certain events occur.

http://freegovreports.com/index.php/...n-self-defense
 
You really do seem to merely be behaving contrary and not addressing anything.

LOL!

Nor has any one addressed the actual point.

poor ms mccarthy has

McCarthy bill limits gun ammunition magazines to 10 bullets - National Democrat | Examiner.com

unfortunately, the president lacks guts

Why Obama's Silence on Gun-Control Laws Pleases Nobody - TIME

and you lack links

Again, I challenge to find any call from of the kind.

characteristic incoherence from the marble mouthed mumbler
 
Why don't you just tell us what you DO want. This cowardly method of hiding your true agenda is rather old.

Who says I want anything? I think the present guns are fine. Until someone suggests something I think is better, I'm OK where we are, and have said so all along. However, if I had claim a desire, it would be that those who own and use guns be well schooled and use the tool properly and prudently. Don't know what law to pass for that though.
 
Who says I want anything? I think the present guns are fine. Until someone suggests something I think is better, I'm OK where we are, and have said so all along. However, if I had claim a desire, it would be that those who own and use guns be well schooled and use the tool properly and prudently. Don't know what law to pass for that though.



So guns are dangerous and bad, but you're ok with the laws as they are?



I'd compromise with a national CCW id, that required at least 8hrs of instructional, and a test, this CCW card would be valid in all 50 states..... Not quite constitutional but better than what we have now.
 
So guns are dangerous and bad, but you're ok with the laws as they are?



I'd compromise with a national CCW id, that required at least 8hrs of instructional, and a test, this CCW card would be valid in all 50 states..... Not quite constitutional but better than what we have now.

Lots of things are dangerous and bad. I don't call for them to be illegal, but I do talk about being aware of their dangers. Why would this bother you so much?
 
I'd compromise with a national CCW id, that required at least 8hrs of instructional, and a test, this CCW card would be valid in all 50 states..... Not quite constitutional but better than what we have now.

I don't object to training, but what do you find so oppressive presently?
 
Lots of things are dangerous and bad. I don't call for them to be illegal, but I do talk about being aware of their dangers. Why would this bother you so much?



what bothers me so much is your hysterics and your relying on agenda driven data of folks who wish to take the 2nd from you and I. If you want to talk about the dangers, which people don't deny, you need to be honest about it and put it in perspective.
 
what bothers me so much is your hysterics and your relying on agenda driven data of folks who wish to take the 2nd from you and I. If you want to talk about the dangers, which people don't deny, you need to be honest about it and put it in perspective.

rev, the only hysterics has been on your side. I've used mulitple sources. Clearly stated my position, and have not be outragous in any way. There has been nothing dishonhest.
 
I don't object to training, but what do you find so oppressive presently?


In NJ, there is an awb, normal capacity magazine ban, one gun a month, a law that would outlaw all guns if a biometric gun was ever created, I have to apply for each handgun I wish to purchase with the state. I can be jailed or imprisoned if I have my gun and don't have it locked up correctly or not going to or from a gun store/range..... (see brian aitken)....


Hollow points are illegal, but I can buy them., and I can have them in my home, transporting them from store to home is illegal.


Need I go on?
 
rev, the only hysterics has been on your side. I've used mulitple sources. Clearly stated my position, and have not be outragous in any way. There has been nothing dishonhest.


At least you believe that......

“A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood” :shrug:
 
rev, the only hysterics has been on your side. I've used mulitple sources. Clearly stated my position, and have not be outragous in any way. There has been nothing dishonhest.

Some of us have a problem with the state taking away our ability to defend ourselfs. It took three months of fighting with the courts to prevent NY from taking my pistol away from me after I defended myself.
 
In NJ, there is an awb, normal capacity magazine ban, one gun a month, a law that would outlaw all guns if a biometric gun was ever created, I have to apply for each handgun I wish to purchase with the state. I can be jailed or imprisoned if I have my gun and don't have it locked up correctly or not going to or from a gun store/range..... (see brian aitken)....


Hollow points are illegal, but I can buy them., and I can have them in my home, transporting them from store to home is illegal.


Need I go on?

The only one I question, because I don't quite understand it, is a law that would outlaw all guns if a biometric gun was ever created. Other than that, and being allowed to buy something you can't legally use (perhaps not let you buy it?), I don't see anything too oppressive.
 
The only one I question, because I don't quite understand it, is a law that would outlaw all guns if a biometric gun was ever created. Other than that, and being allowed to buy something you can't legally use (perhaps not let you buy it?), I don't see anything too oppressive.


And there is your problem....


Brian aitken would disagree with you.

Gun owner Brian Aitken is released from prison after Gov. Christie commutes sentence | NJ.com





also:

b. The Legislature, therefore, declares:

It is within the public interest, and vital to the safety of our families and children, for New Jersey to take the bold and innovative step of fostering the development of personalized handguns by firearms manufacturers. To accomplish this objective, the Legislature determines that it should enact legislation designed to further enhance firearms safety by requiring that, within a specified period of time after the date on which these new personalized handguns are deemed to be available for retail sales purposes, no other type of handgun shall be sold or offered for sale by any registered or licensed firearms dealer in this State.



The fact you see nothing wrong with this overly oppressive laws, is stunning.
 
Lots of things are dangerous and bad. I don't call for them to be illegal, but I do talk about being aware of their dangers.

so you're carrying on for your usual hundred posts about bupkis

typical

Why would this bother you so much?

no bother

only LOL's!

lots of em
 
And there is your problem....


Brian aitken would disagree with you.

Gun owner Brian Aitken is released from prison after Gov. Christie commutes sentence | NJ.com





also:

b. The Legislature, therefore, declares:

It is within the public interest, and vital to the safety of our families and children, for New Jersey to take the bold and innovative step of fostering the development of personalized handguns by firearms manufacturers. To accomplish this objective, the Legislature determines that it should enact legislation designed to further enhance firearms safety by requiring that, within a specified period of time after the date on which these new personalized handguns are deemed to be available for retail sales purposes, no other type of handgun shall be sold or offered for sale by any registered or licensed firearms dealer in this State.



The fact you see nothing wrong with this overly oppressive laws, is stunning.

Of course he doesn't. It takes hand guns out of the hands of the poor and perhaps even the middle class depending on price of these personalized guns. To 2nd amendment proponents and other Hoplophobes they know an outright ban may not work but trying to severely restrict the hell out of it with tax stamps like done in the past, banning weapons made after a certian date, requiring someone to jump through all sorts of hoops just to exercise a constitutional right, or in this case requiring that only a certian type of hand gun can be made. The 2nd amendment proponents and other Hoplophobes know that trying to get a unconstitutional law overturned one must go through a legal circus that make take years or decades depending on the political make up of the S.C. Like all Hoplophobes if they can not directly subvert the 2nd amednment they will try either the back door approach or they use baby steps to accomplish their goal.
 
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And there is your problem....


Brian aitken would disagree with you.

Gun owner Brian Aitken is released from prison after Gov. Christie commutes sentence | NJ.com





also:

b. The Legislature, therefore, declares:

It is within the public interest, and vital to the safety of our families and children, for New Jersey to take the bold and innovative step of fostering the development of personalized handguns by firearms manufacturers. To accomplish this objective, the Legislature determines that it should enact legislation designed to further enhance firearms safety by requiring that, within a specified period of time after the date on which these new personalized handguns are deemed to be available for retail sales purposes, no other type of handgun shall be sold or offered for sale by any registered or licensed firearms dealer in this State.



The fact you see nothing wrong with this overly oppressive laws, is stunning.

I'm not sure what you think your article proves. He was carrying around wepaons in the trunk of his car? And what dos that have to do with what you quote?
 
I'm not sure what you think your article proves. He was carrying around wepaons in the trunk of his car? And what dos that have to do with what you quote?


So he deserved 7 years in prison? and no, that's not what he was doing.
 
That's a problem with the penalty. The problem he had has driving around with all those weapons.

Why is that a problem?

I have a friend that works as a gunsmith for a local gunshop. Part of his job is to take newly completed custom guns and zero them at the range. Sometimes, he invites me to go with him. Between his guns and my guns, we'll show up at the range with 20+ guns in the truck.
 
That's a problem with the penalty. The problem he had has driving around with all those weapons.
He has the right to keep and bear arms.The fact he would be punished for it is a travesty of justice and a blatant violation of his rights.
 
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Why is that a problem?

I have a friend that works as a gunsmith for a local gunshop. Part of his job is to take newly completed custom guns and zero them at the range. Sometimes, he invites me to go with him. Between his guns and my guns, we'll show up at the range with 20+ guns in the truck.

Apparently there was a law against it. Agree with it or not, he shoudl eb aware of the law. Secondly, I have heard no argument that this was job related. If it were, the court case might have gone differently. Who knows. We can't just make up excuses for him. Nor do I think it is oppressive so say don't drive around with a bunch of guns in your trunk. Seems like something most wouldn't be doing anyway.
 
Apparently there was a law against it. Agree with it or not, he shoudl eb aware of the law. Secondly, I have heard no argument that this was job related. If it were, the court case might have gone differently. Who knows. We can't just make up excuses for him. Nor do I think it is oppressive so say don't drive around with a bunch of guns in your trunk. Seems like something most wouldn't be doing anyway.

Just because a law, is a law, doesn't make it right. Ever hear of the Fugitive Slave Law?
 
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