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White House to Push Gun Control

StillBallin75 said:
That's what i'm saying. The probably if gun ownership becoming illegal within the near future, or even into the foreseeable future, is virtually nil.
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You mean like government health care will never happen here
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think the first step should be looking at a better way to prevent straw purchases. This will have little or no effect on people who purchase and use guns legally.
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Good plan. I also think that we need to examine laws regarding the rights of the mentally ill. Some people need to be in mental health facilities, even if they don't want to be.
 
ptif219 said:
You mean like government health care will never happen here
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who said government healthcare would never happen? My point is, pro-2nd amendment sentiment is so strong in this country that for anyone to try to implement real, tough gun legislation at this point would be political suicide. I'm pro-gun control for the most part, but if I were President I certainly wouldn't be trying to do anything about it right now.
 
ptif219 said:
When people see signs of them being unstable there should be ways to have them evaluated
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So I can say "ptif219 is showing signs of being unstable" and then we can huck you into a hospital for an unspecified amount of time to evaluate you, eh?
 
tlmorg02 said:
Looks like it has to me....just saying
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Just sayin, murder isn't the only form of crime.
 
Ockham said:
That lack of capacity didn't seem to hinder Health Care from getting passed... other things did like a lack of citizens support - but not a Presidential lack of capacity.
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And that cost him a lot of political clout, didn't it? Did you miss the recent election?
 
ptif219 said:
He has already done it with the EPA it will continue to other departments heads, There is a reason Obama has all these Czars
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Presidents have always had czars. This didn't begin with Obama, since most of his "czars" were inherited from Bush.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Or rattle snakes.

I know people who've had intruders come into their home in the middle of the night. I'd damn sure wish I had a gun if that happened.
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Tis why I have several guns. Get a 12 gauge. Seriously not messing around here. Just the SOUND of you ratcheting a round into the chamber will allow you to clean up broken glass and the trail of piss the criminal leaves behind.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Innocent people get shot the **** up every single day all across America. Prince George's County, in Maryland, where I go to college, experienced 13 murders in 13 days. The only reason we're even talking about Loughner is that it happened on the national stage. Seems to me nobody really likes to touch the issue until real **** happens on TV.
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Sure as hell do. But what is making sure "insane" people have no access to guns going to do about the gun crime rate? Nothing you say? Well that is correct.
 
MrVicchio said:
Tis why I have several guns. Get a 12 gauge. Seriously not messing around here. Just the SOUND of you ratcheting a round into the chamber will allow you to clean up broken glass and the trail of piss the criminal leaves behind.
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I have a pit bull. Statistically speaking, a dog is better than a gun. My dog sounds like she'd eat your liver with a some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
 
tlmorg02 said:
The point is, countries with gun laws have lower murder rates.....do I really have to explain this to you?
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Have you actually looked at the degree of statistical variance between us and the countries with gun laws? In real terms, it's less than 1 per 1000 people...whether you are the U.S. or the UK.

United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

In neither case are we talking about the type of mayhem that most people seem to think of here. And, most of this occurs in high crime, urban areas, where the majority of guns are illegal.

Passing laws only affects law-abiding people. Some of the most violent cities in the country are in places with stricter gun control laws (Camden, New Jersey, for instance).
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
I have a pit bull. Statistically speaking, a dog is better than a gun. My dog sounds like she'd eat your liver with a some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
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Well you just shoot the dog. Problem solved.
 
Ikari said:
Sure as hell do. But what is making sure "insane" people have no access to guns going to do about the gun crime rate? Nothing you say? Well that is correct.
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I think this response is perhaps better directed at the conservatives on this thread. I'm one of the liberal gun-control people, not one of the "crazy-people control" people.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I have a pit bull. Statistically speaking, a dog is better than a gun. My dog sounds like she'd eat your liver with a some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
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Dogs are good. My parents have a bulldog, 3 mutts and various dos in and out of the house (mom does animal rescue for a no kill shelter and often has dogs there when needed) and they both have pistols. Because dogs aren't perfect ;)
 
tlmorg02 said:
The point is, countries with gun laws have lower murder rates.....do I really have to explain this to you?
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According to the corrupt United Nations that does not want private citizens to have guns
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think this response is perhaps better directed at the conservatives on this thread. I'm one of the liberal gun-control people, not one of the "crazy-people control" people.
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Ahh, ok, fair enough. The topic of this thread was findind a way to keep crazy folk from having guns; and that's the topic I was on. Sorry. I'm on of those "The ATF should be a store" sort of folk.
 
StillBallin75 said:
who said government healthcare would never happen? My point is, pro-2nd amendment sentiment is so strong in this country that for anyone to try to implement real, tough gun legislation at this point would be political suicide. I'm pro-gun control for the most part, but if I were President I certainly wouldn't be trying to do anything about it right now.
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Gun regulation in the U.S. is already tough - if done legally. Yes there are exceptions ie., straw purchases which I don't like either and would like to see removed, but that's a states issue. And I also realize that there are those who think every gun is evil, and therefore all guns should be banned no matter the reason - so some people will always cry about how lax the gun laws are in the U.S. However, in my state, I have to go through a full background check, get a firearms purchasers card, get fingerprinted and get a signed document by my local law enforcement (State Troopers), submit that to the BATF, have them do a full check on me including mental capacity, then I get my card, which takes 30-90 days. If I want a pistol, I have to submit yet another form and I'm limited to 2 pistols per purchase. That takes another 30-90 days. Once I pay my fees and get THAT card, which is only valid for purchase for 30 days, I can go pick out my handgun, and then I have to wait 24 hours before I can pick it up. When I go to pick it up, my ID is checked an another BATF call is made to a hotline to verify I've passed and to validate my form. Then I can go home with my handgun.

I hear about these people going to gun shows and going home with 20 pistols and stuff, but I've yet to see it, and I've been to gun shows in PA and Virginia. I'm sure it happens, but the frequency may be overblown.
 
Ikari said:
Ahh, ok, fair enough. The topic of this thread was findind a way to keep crazy folk from having guns; and that's the topic I was on. Sorry. I'm on of those "The ATF should be a store" sort of folk.
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Haha, that's rather interesting. I know in Mexico the only legal gun store is operated by the Army.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The average criminal doesn't want to deal with a dog. Problem solved before it even started. They choose a house that doesn't have one.
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Yeah, that's probably true. But if I were robbing a place and came across a dog that wanted to eat me, I'd probably just pop the dog. And then the owner in the leg for having released the dog. Maybe the knee so that whenever it rains they're reminded of their bad choice.

hahah...am I evil?
 
StillBallin75 said:
who said government healthcare would never happen? My point is, pro-2nd amendment sentiment is so strong in this country that for anyone to try to implement real, tough gun legislation at this point would be political suicide. I'm pro-gun control for the most part, but if I were President I certainly wouldn't be trying to do anything about it right now.
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Unless you are democrat and you think it will fire up your base
 
Ikari said:
So I can say "ptif219 is showing signs of being unstable" and then we can huck you into a hospital for an unspecified amount of time to evaluate you, eh?
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It would take more than just one person
 
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