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White House to Push Gun Control

Do you really think that not being able to legally purchase a weapon will deter a really committed crazy person? Do you believe that the majority of violent crimes in your community are committed with legal guns? If so, I'd encourage you to do some research on teh subject. Most guns used in teh commission of a violent crime are illegally obtained.

They become illegally obtained because guns are so prevalent in this culture that I can break into a house and steal a gun, or go buy one, file off the serial number and sell the gun to a crook, report it stolen and I am off the hook.

If guns were not everywhere, it would not be so easy to have millions of them floating around to be obtained illegally.
 
Some? He has been a strong supporter of anti gun

He lacks the capacity, as a president, to pass legislation impacting gun rights, when he does not have control of the house. Try to stop panicking.
 
They become illegally obtained because guns are so prevalent in this culture that I can break into a house and steal a gun, or go buy one, file off the serial number and sell the gun to a crook, report it stolen and I am off the hook.

If guns were not everywhere, it would not be so easy to have millions of them floating around to be obtained illegally.

So that justifies taking them out of the hands of people who haven't committed a crime?
 
The point you missed was that if he had been unable to buy a guy, he would still be in his parents house ranting about the government and masterbaiting to guns and ammo glock centerfolds.
I already addressed that by stating the need for mental health legislation and involuntary mental evaluations. It seems YOU missed that, not me.,
 
Some individuals in some gangs were, but there is very little research behind the idea that there are massive drug gangs in the U.S. that control the street level trafficking of narcotics. This is true in Chicago, and it's true to some extent in parts of California, but it's generally not true elsewhere.

I am not asserting they are drug cartels, I am asserting that people commit robbery to get drug money, people kill to get drug money, ..... Drug related in that way.
 
He lacks the capacity, as a president, to pass legislation impacting gun rights, when he does not have control of the house. Try to stop panicking.

Even if Democrats still had control of both houses I doubt he would have even thought to initiate any anti-gun legislation. It's just such a charged issue that the public backlash would have been too great. Even when he did have control of both houses the Democrats were barely competent and shaping their own legislation.
 
I am not asserting they are drug cartels, I am asserting that people commit robbery to get drug money, people kill to get drug money, ..... Drug related in that way.

Given that law enforcement data isn't typically collected or analyzed in a way that would allow those sorts of conclusions to be drawn, I'm highly suspicious of that claim. A lot of property crimes are committed for drug money, but a lot of property crimes are just committed for money in general.

And no, the majority of murders aren't about drugs. They're domestic disputes. Most gang homicides, contrary to popular belief, aren't about drugs, either. They're about turf, respect, or revenge.
 
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Even if Democrats still had control of both houses I doubt he would have even thought to initiate any anti-gun legislation. It's just such a charged issue that the public backlash would have been too great. Even when he did have control of both houses the Democrats were barely competent and shaping their own legislation.

He's just handed a magnificent frying pan to the chefs in the Republican party so they can cook his goose and whip their diehards into a frothy of "the gummint gunna take my guns." Just look at this thread...
 
Given that law enforcement data isn't typically collected or analyzed in a way that would allow those sorts of conclusions to be drawn, I'm highly suspicious of that claim.]

And no, the majority of murders aren't about drugs. They're domestic disputes. Most gang homicides, contrary to your beliefs, aren't about drugs. They're about turf, respect, or revenge.

So we need guns in our homes to protect against armed intruders....?
 
Given that law enforcement data isn't typically collected or analyzed in a way that would allow those sorts of conclusions to be drawn, I'm highly suspicious of that claim. A lot of property crimes are committed for drug money, but a lot of property crimes are just committed for money in general.

And no, the majority of murders aren't about drugs. They're domestic disputes. Most gang homicides, contrary to popular belief, aren't about drugs, either. They're about turf, respect, or revenge.

How many of the guys that you councilled carried guns, percentage-wise?
 
I know i'm going to get slammed for saying this, but I personally believe that gun ownership should be a privilege and is not a natural or human right. And I believe that upholding the professed right to gunownership just isn't worth the cost to society. That being said, it is just my personal opinion and I don't believe in taking away anyone's guns.

Gun control increases crime because criminals don't have to worry about getting shot

Liberal MSNBC says that more legal firearm ownership reduces crime rates « Wintery Knight
 
The point you missed was that if he had been unable to buy a guy, he would still be in his parents house ranting about the government and masterbaiting to guns and ammo glock centerfolds.

No he would have bought it on the street
 
He's just handed a magnificent frying pan to the chefs in the Republican party so they can cook his goose and whip their diehards into a frothy of "the gummint gunna take my guns." Just look at this thread...

I think the first step should be looking at a better way to prevent straw purchases. This will have little or no effect on people who purchase and use guns legally.
 
He lacks the capacity, as a president, to pass legislation impacting gun rights, when he does not have control of the house. Try to stop panicking.

Obama will do it through regulations and by pass the congress
 
It stirs up the anti gun lobby and democrats will propose more laws to please them

The strength of the anti-gun lobby in this country pales in comparison to the gun lobby, and if he tries to please the anti-gun lobby he'll have a lot of pro-gun folks on his ass. Ptif you will be allowed to keep your guns, don't worry.
 
Then what is?

Gun Control's goal, of denying criminals guns is laudable. I don't like criminals with guns anymore then you do. However, making guns harder to obtain for honest, law abiding citizens merely empowers criminals.

The incident in Az was not a case of lack of laws, but a case of the current laws needing a simple tweak. Had the Police and the School been able to report his mental state, that might have red flagged him from buying a gun legally. However it would not have PREVENTED him from buying a gun. Does anyone really believe that being denied a pistol purchase would have really stopped this nut job? He would have found another way. Black market gun sales, maybe he would have driven a car into the crowd instead, or made a pipe bomb...

No "gun control" would have stopped him from acting the way he did. And new laws "aimed at stopping people liek him" aren't really productive, just exercises in political showmanship at the cost of our rights.
 
Just stay away from the ghetto!

No they better stay away from my house. I have 3 hand guns and a concealed weapons license. I want no laws that come against my rights to have these
 
Obama will do it through regulations and by pass the congress

Isn't it funny that the same people who want to **** on the 2nd amendment are the same ones trying to say that your just paranoid or that you have nothing to dear.
 
The strength of the anti-gun lobby in this country pales in comparison to the gun lobby, and if he tries to please the anti-gun lobby he'll have a lot of pro-gun folks on his ass. Ptif you will be allowed to keep your guns, don't worry.

Yes just like legal abortion would never happen and we will never see legal gay marriage?
 
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