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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

There's no way in hell that you can know that as a fact.

you are correct, i am repeating what i've heard on tv. then, of course, there's THIS:

Protesters accuse the regime and the ruling party of organizing a force of paid thugs and police in civilian clothes to attack them Wednesday afternoon, sparking the violence that raged until Thursday night.

The prime minister apologized for Wednesday's assault and acknowledged it may have been organized, though he said he didn't know by whom. Suleiman promised Mubarak's son Gamal would not run in presidential elections in September. Before the protests, Mubarak was widely expected to try to pass his power to his son in a hereditary succession, despite significant public opposition.

Gangs attack foreigners in Egypt's growing mayhem - Yahoo! News
 
you are correct, i am repeating what i've heard on tv. then, of course, there's THIS:

Protesters accuse the regime and the ruling party of organizing a force of paid thugs and police in civilian clothes to attack them Wednesday afternoon, sparking the violence that raged until Thursday night.
Gangs attack foreigners in Egypt's growing mayhem - Yahoo! News

Right...so...one side 'good'...the other side 'bad'....

Personally...I hope they get exactly what they want. I just dont think what they get is what they expect they are going to get. But...when it happens...IF heaven forbid it does happen...I want all the liberals out there to FULLY embrace the same kind of government the Iranians have. And OWN it. Be HAPPY about it.
 
There's no way in hell that you can know that as a fact.

I dont doubt the Mubarek govt is ingaging in some counter and subterfuge. They were 'forced' just like union members were 'forced' to attend democrat rallies. BFD. Do you really want to sit there and pretend the opposition side isnt pulling the same crap?

Never said the "opposition side isn't pulling the same crap" just replying to the original post that said "there is no way you could know that" when in fact it could be known and already was known.

One difference - this was a government forcing a communication company to send messages without attribution. That doesn't sit well with me in the least. (I am ssuming you read more than just the link headline, then again you know what they say about assuming)
 
you are correct, i am repeating what i've heard on tv. then, of course, there's THIS:

Protesters accuse the regime and the ruling party of organizing a force of paid thugs and police in civilian clothes to attack them Wednesday afternoon, sparking the violence that raged until Thursday night.



Gangs attack foreigners in Egypt's growing mayhem - Yahoo! News

Did you read the article, before you posted it? I tend to think, uh, no! Especially, since it's talking about something totally different. I know, there's thing with reality that some folks have.
 
Right...so...one side 'good'...the other side 'bad'....

Personally...I hope they get exactly what they want. I just dont think what they get is what they expect they are going to get. But...when it happens...IF heaven forbid it does happen...I want all the liberals out there to FULLY embrace the same kind of government the Iranians have. And OWN it. Be HAPPY about it.

IMO, the people of Egypt are sitting back thinking, "what's this next buncha dickheads going to do to us?".

At least with Mubarack, they didn't have to worry about being bombed by the United States, because the Islamist government did something stupid.
 
Never said the "opposition side isn't pulling the same crap" just replying to the original post that said "there is no way you could know that" when in fact it could be known and already was known.

One difference - this was a government forcing a communication company to send messages without attribution. That doesn't sit well with me in the least. (I am ssuming you read more than just the link headline, then again you know what they say about assuming)

I typically read the articles attributed to comments I am posting on. Yes I read this one. No, it doesnt shock me. Some on BOTH sides are their of their own accord. Im sure some truly believe what they are doing is the right thing for Egypt. Im sure some truly believe they are doing the right thing by their ideology. And some are being manipulated. Both sides. Which was my point from the outset. There is no 'good' side nor 'bad' side.

And my response to BOTh sides would have still been the same...water cannons and riot police on camels.
 
IMO, the people of Egypt are sitting back thinking, "what's this next buncha dickheads going to do to us?".

At least with Mubarack, they didn't have to worry about being bombed by the United States, because the Islamist government did something stupid.

I sincerely hope that whatever happens is a positive thing for the people of Egypt. Personally...I believe it will turn out like Iran unless there is some major league intervention there (by someone OTHER than the US). And if thats what they 'choose'...fine...good for them. But its going to suck to be a 'liberal' in Egypt if it turns out that way...
 
I sincerely hope that whatever happens is a positive thing for the people of Egypt. Personally...I believe it will turn out like Iran unless there is some major league intervention there (by someone OTHER than the US). And if thats what they 'choose'...fine...good for them. But its going to suck to be a 'liberal' in Egypt if it turns out that way...

It's going to take American intervention to have a happy ending, because no one else has the balls, nor the intelligence to pull it off.
 
There's no way in hell that you can know that as a fact.

I typically read the articles attributed to comments I am posting on. Yes I read this one. No, it doesnt shock me. Some on BOTH sides are their of their own accord. Im sure some truly believe what they are doing is the right thing for Egypt. Im sure some truly believe they are doing the right thing by their ideology. And some are being manipulated. Both sides. Which was my point from the outset. There is no 'good' side nor 'bad' side.

And my response to BOTh sides would have still been the same...water cannons and riot police on camels.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you're a Libertarian?
 
It's going to take American intervention to have a happy ending, because no one else has the balls, nor the intelligence to pull it off.

Thats really not going to happen and please Lord dont let it. Let the people deal with the stank who's back yard its about to pollute.
 
snilloctjc [/B]QUOTE]Are you sure you're a Libertarian?[/QUOTE]

:lamo

Boy...the number of times I get asked that question. Darn shame Im not some wooden head pull-my-string voice recorded libertarian like the dumbasses that identify themselves as republicans or democrats.

YEP...Im positive. Have you READ my comments? Pretty consistent arent they? PEACEFUL protests? Fine. The second it goes violent your ass is going to wish you were home watching it on TV.
 
You've got it wrong. The neocon movement began with Reagan. Many in his administration were neocons. It has always been a right wing thing.

No, I'm afraid ou have it all wrong, Dirty harry.

Although the phrase was used earlier it didn't really enter the popular culture until the late 1970's by Irving Kristol. It might also have been Kristol who first used the line, "A neo-conservative is a liberal who's been mugged by reality".

Although Reagan was originally a Democrat he was quoted as saying (paraphrased) "I didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me".

There are many who feel the Democrats have moved too far to the Left and have become "neo-conservatives".
 
Americans looking for terrorists under every Muslim rock overturned. No more than I should expect but it is still highly annoying.

I am not surprised or going to ponder the irony that it is many Americans and others such as Israelis who seem to be the ones most opposed to a Democratic Muslim world.

US and the West no matter how it tries to say it supports democracy for all. The truth is democracy is only supported for those countries as long as it falls in line with Western interests otherwise it is the enemy and something to oppose

I am not even going to answer back to those who think that somehow Egypt should be denied democracy because they may choose the wrong people. I can't even get round my anger to point out the hypocrisy not to mention how ignorant and offensive that statement is. One cannot, like many Americans claim the value human rights, democracy and freedom is universal and then make up some bull**** excuse to exclude countries based on religion. Just be honest and say you do not support democracy period. I'd respect you more.

As if US has always been a perfect democracy. This from a country which only a few decades ago and for some within living memory. Sections of their community was treated as sub human, denied rights, denied the right to vote and have their voice heard and oppressed.
It has matured and evolved to try and reach to its ideal of equality and yet it is denying it for others in the world to have that same chance to evolve and change because they will not automatically establish a "perfect" democracy. :censored

Yes, we can see what sort of democracy you and the Muslim brotherhood would prefer.

This from an earlier post of yours.
Mubarak has blood on his hands and all I hope now is for his death.

Spoken like a true Islamist!
 
How many muslim males do you know, face to face? I bet fewer than 1.

intellectual honesty---LOL!

i've had hundreds of muslim male and female students in my math classes, at least a dozen on my rolls today

from lebanon, jordan, afghanistan, pakistan...

i often ask them about their homes, families left behind, their views (or their parents') about the political situations back there, they've taught me a lot

i've come to know them as some of the kindest, most decent, studious and talented students i've ever had, i've come to love them and their culture dearly

and their families are absolutely golden, i can't think of a single exception

stick to porn
 
intellectual honesty---LOL!

i've had hundreds of muslim male and female students in my math classes, at least a dozen on my rolls today

from lebanon, jordan, afghanistan, pakistan...

i often ask them about their homes, families left behind, their views (or their parents') about the political situations back there, they've taught me a lot

i've come to know them as some of the kindest, most decent, studious and talented students i've ever had, i've come to love them and their culture dearly

and their families are absolutely golden, i can't think of a single exception

stick to porn

You say that like its a BAD thing... ;)
 
I typically read the articles attributed to comments I am posting on. Yes I read this one. No, it doesnt shock me. Some on BOTH sides are their of their own accord. Im sure some truly believe what they are doing is the right thing for Egypt. Im sure some truly believe they are doing the right thing by their ideology. And some are being manipulated. Both sides. Which was my point from the outset. There is no 'good' side nor 'bad' side.

And my response to BOTh sides would have still been the same...water cannons and riot police on camels.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you're a Libertarian?

When the **** did I ever say that I'm a libertarian?
 
Thats really not going to happen and please Lord dont let it. Let the people deal with the stank who's back yard its about to pollute.

I agree, but at the same time, I think we need to be waiting in the wings to clean up the mess.

At some point, it should become obvious that the people don't know what the hell they're doing and there's a serious need for some adult supervision. This is quickly shaping up to be one of those situations.
 
Are you suggesting you invaded Iraq because it had a dictator...

I don't remember that as one of the reasons...

really?

you've never heard the talking point like a mantra, "rid the world of saddam hussein?"

fine by me

i'll tell you one thing, tho

in this world of crushing catastrophes, all beyond the capacity of this woebegone white house to cope---the eu, the us housing market, the deficit, the cartels, chinese currency, nuclearizing iran, korea, the bankrupt status of many of our biggest states, the disastrous insolvency of our public pensions, middle eastern instability and chaos from morocco to yemen---barack hussein obama is one lucky little peace prizer in that he doesn't have, IN ADDITION to all of the above, a pathological sadist as dictator of the third largest shiite nation on earth, top player for decades in advancing international terrorism
 
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