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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Well, the longer Mubarak hangs around in Egypt, the more power the Muslim Brotherhood is gaining. The time for the White House to drop its balls was last week so that we could maintain a sense of future for Egypt (and the rest of the region). Now the situation has become more volatile and mirky.

A week from now, with no let up in the violence and the situation will become untenable. At that point, the United States will be criticized for not getting involved.
 
SOME of them probably do for the same reason your ridiculous comment was made....out of an apparent desire to refuse to deal with anything out side of the stereotypical world view they've created for themselves.

You calling conservatives that label other people liberals ridiculous? It's just funny that when it comes to this crisis conservatives are all over the place on what they think should be done. Most of the time they are pretty well united. It's usually their way or the liberal way.
 
What is the official conservative position on this crisis? Half say we should stand by Mubarak because the alternative will be worse and the other half say we should support the protesters and their quest for democracy. You guys better see what FOX wants you to think so you can all get on the same page..

I don't recall Righties taking either of those specific positions.
 
You have a point. FOX has been leaning more and more towards supporting Mubarak in light of a possible Muslim Brotherhood takeover. This is a lack of vision and a lack of true wisdom, which is proof that people's idea of the "NeoCon" has been wrong all along.

I think the splintering is largely occurring between those conservatives who consider Israel our primary ally in the region versus those who are more pragmatic and believe that we are best served by being true to our principles, regardless of the short term outcome.

I guess I'm in the latter camp. Israel is an ally, but Israel routinely acts in their perceived best interest without consideration for how their actions will impact us. In some ways, Israel has been extremely detrimental to our national interests.
 
A week from now, with no let up in the violence and the situation will become untenable. At that point, the United States will be criticized for not getting involved.

Oh, really? What do you believe we should be doing, in practical terms, Apdst?

I've seen a lot of fear-mongering from you, but very little in the way of ideas or solutions.

Or, are you waiting for talking points from Glenn/Rush?
 
I think there is very little chance you were dealing with people who are the types who end up in a position of real power when you were in the region.

No, but they all put their pants on one leg at a time and grew up in the same culture.
 
Complete, total agreement in every way. We accomplish the most by remaining true to our founding principles.

I wish I could like your post x 9000.

Most of the world knows this, which is why they are quick to be dissapointed when we don't practice what we preach. They look to us, no matter their admittance. I believe that this is unfair because it relies on us not living in the same decrepit world they live in, but it does account for much of the anti-Americanism that occurs from event to event. In this new age of information over load, we can no longer get away with some of the imperfections we have practiced along the way. It is funny that our highest point of "moralhigh ground" came when we were just emerging from isolationalism into this outside world. The battle, for Americans at least, seems to be pitting our morality against what the world supplies against us and winning out.
 
Is this an American idiom I've never come across before? What the hell does that mean?

It's an idiom that implies that all men are basically the same. Thus, even though Apdst had zero experience with the shot-callers in whatever middle eastern hellhole he served in, to him, all towelheads are basically identical.
 
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I think the splintering is largely occurring between those conservatives who consider Israel our primary ally in the region versus those who are more pragmatic and believe that we are best served by being true to our principles, regardless of the short term outcome.


It's in Israel's best interest to promote democracy as well. If it is a historic truth that our security has always relied upon the health of foriegn nations/regions, then it is certainly true for Israel, who is surrounded by dictatorships and twisted regimes.
 
Oh, really? What do you believe we should be doing, in practical terms, Apdst?

I've seen a lot of fear-mongering from you, but very little in the way of ideas or solutions.

Or, are you waiting for talking points from Glenn/Rush?

There's not much we can do. Obama could end up looking like a dumbass, either way and I think the fewer opinions he has, the better the United States will be.
 
Oh, really? What do you believe we should be doing, in practical terms, Apdst?

I've seen a lot of fear-mongering from you, but very little in the way of ideas or solutions.

Or, are you waiting for talking points from Glenn/Rush?

i'm interested in what should do, as well. i think we should keep the hell out of it, for once.
 
You have a point. FOX has been leaning more and more towards supporting Mubarak in light of a possible Muslim Brotherhood takeover. This is a lack of vision and a lack of true wisdom, which is proof that people's idea of the "NeoCon" has been wrong all along.

Actually, strangely enough, it just furthers what my view of a Neo-conservative is. A form of conservatism that see's the government not as something that should be minimized, but as a tool that should be used...domestically and internationally...to institute the moral and legislative based ideas you have that you believe is best for the countries longevity and security and that said ideals are more important than growth of government, reduction of liberty, or cost in dollars. In this instance, the "threat of islamofascism" is to them a greater hinderance to their goals than the "spreading of democracy" is a boon, and as such they are shifting their view point to accomodate.

To me, a neo-conservative is one who has little care for the governmental and fiscal sides of conservatism unless it suits them, an absolute extremist and somewhat distorted conservative view when it comes to the pillar of defense, and a similarly twisted and extreme view with regards to the social side all unified by a belief that ignoring, or outright rejection, of the first two pillars I stated in advancement of the latter two is worth while.

I think in general people are in the right ballpark with how they use the word Neo-Con when its used as anything other than a mindless insult. The problem is that, one, like any political philosophy there is some wiggle room and two, most of the time people just use it as a mindless insult.
 
It's an idiom that implies that all men are basically the same. Thus, even though Apdst had zero experience with the shot-callers in whatever middle eastern hellhole he served in, to him, all towelheads are basically identical.

Okaaay.:rofl:rofl
 
You calling conservatives that label other people liberals ridiculous? It's just funny that when it comes to this crisis conservatives are all over the place on what they think should be done. Most of the time they are pretty well united. It's usually their way or the liberal way.

I think conservatives that define anyone who disagrees with them on any individual issue, regardless of the reasons for it, as "liberal" as ridiculous. I think conservatives that think every liberal things exactly the same way on various issues, or that anyone who comes to a certain conclussion on an issue, is a liberal is ridiculous.

I think the fact that conservatives are "all over the place" on this shows that the deluded and ignorant notion that conservatives are a bunch of mind numbed robots taking cues from "Faux News" and Rush Limbaugh is rather off base on a whole.
 
It's in Israel's best interest to promote democracy as well. If it is a historic truth that our security has always relied upon the health of foriegn nations/regions, then it is certainly true for Israel, who is surrounded by dictatorships and twisted regimes.

I think that they've fallen prey to the myth of short-term stability at any cost. So, making a deal with the devil would be fine if he promises that he'll behave.
 
I think the splintering is largely occurring between those conservatives who consider Israel our primary ally in the region versus those who are more pragmatic and believe that we are best served by being true to our principles, regardless of the short term outcome.

:2wave: Conservative here who thinks Israel is our primary ally in the region and who thinks we're best served by being true to our principles based on the realistic observation and estimations regarding our short term outcome compared to our potential long term gain :)
 
Is this an American idiom I've never come across before? What the hell does that mean?

It means that Obama is no more, or less of a man, than I am. Being president doesn't elevate him to some super-human stature.

My point to Tucker, is that although I may not have learned of Arab culture from men in power, I still learned of it from men of the region which doesn't make my opinion any less valid.
 
There's not much we can do. Obama could end up looking like a dumbass, either way and I think the fewer opinions he has, the better the United States will be.

So, in other words, you have zero ideas and a lot of uninformed opinions about Arabs.

Duly noted.
 
:2wave: Conservative here who thinks Israel is our primary ally in the region and who thinks we're best served by being true to our principles based on the realistic observation and estimations regarding our short term outcome compared to our potential long term gain :)

Stop breaking my paradigms.
 
I think that they've fallen prey to the myth of short-term stability at any cost. So, making a deal with the devil would be fine if he promises that he'll behave.

Which is why we shouldn't be trying to open a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, either.
 
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