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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Catz Part Deux said:
I will do nothing, because that isn't my country, and it's not my job to determine their government. The only option I'd suggest is elmininating our foreign aid to Egypt.
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Yet you believe this country should support the people but I guess that is only up to a point. The people of the region voted for democracy and what they got was an Islamic fundamentalist state who created fraudulent results. Where is your outrage? The people of Iran were protesting in the streets over their illegitimate elections so where was your support then?

If it is truly the will of the people to be free then why would you not support U.S. help to the region when elections are fraudulent?
 
digsbe said:
I think that we should let Egypt do their own thing. Part of the problem has been the US support of Mubarak. It would be very bad if Egypt elected an anti-Israeli Islamist, but we should deal with that if it happens. We must remember that Egypt isn't like every other Middle Eastern nation. They are almost half Christian and they seem to take a general stance against terrorism.
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Where do you get that from?
 
Conservative said:
Yet you believe this country should support the people but I guess that is only up to a point. The people of the region voted for democracy and what they got was an Islamic fundamentalist state who created fraudulent results. Where is your outrage? The people of Iran were protesting in the streets over their illegitimate elections so where was your support then?
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I don't believe that we should interfere with their elections. I think that it is the right of the people of Egypt to call for new elections and depose a tyrant whenever they wish. I do not believe that American troops should be on the ground in Egypt for this purpose, but I do believe that how the Egyptian government handles this situation should determine the amount we send each year in aid to Egypt.

As far as our support of Egypt, it should be primarily verbal. I think we should get out of the business of building democracies and determining what the governance of other nations should be. It's not our place.

Regarding the Green Revolution, I was probably the most supportive person (of that movement) on this board. Feel free to do a search.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
I don't believe that we should interfere with their elections. I think that it is the right of the people of Egypt to call for new elections and depose a tyrant whenever they wish. I do not believe that American troops should be on the ground in Egypt for this purpose, but I do believe that how the Egyptian government handles this situation should determine the amount we send each year in aid to Egypt.

As far as our support of Egypt, it should be primarily verbal. I think we should get out of the business of building democracies and determining what the governance of other nations should be. It's not our place.

Regarding the Green Revolution, I was probably the most supportive person (of that movement) on this board. Feel free to do a search.
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Think we should have gotten involved with Germany in the 30's?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I don't believe that we should interfere with their elections. I think that it is the right of the people of Egypt to call for new elections and depose a tyrant whenever they wish. I do not believe that American troops should be on the ground in Egypt for this purpose, but I do believe that how the Egyptian government handles this situation should determine the amount we send each year in aid to Egypt.

As far as our support of Egypt, it should be primarily verbal. I think we should get out of the business of building democracies and determining what the governance of other nations should be. It's not our place.

Regarding the Green Revolution, I was probably the most supportive person (of that movement) on this board. Feel free to do a search.
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What you are ignoring is that the calls and protests for democracy in the region have led to Islamic radicals to take over and defy the will of the people. Then what? How far are you willing to go to assure that the will of the people for a democracy is realized? Radical islam is always a step ahead of most people, step one, remove the existing govt, step two elect a weak leader, step three remove that leader and install a well funded Islamic fundmentalist that implements a real dictatorship.
 
Egypt has a powerful military thanks to us. Whoever they support will rule the country as long as it remains united.

Good thing Egypt has strict gun laws or it would be a blood bath right now.
 
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apdst said:
Where do you get that from?
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It's wrong. Wiki contradicts itself on the numbers, but estimates that there are around 16,000,000 Coptic Christians in Egypt. That would be 20% of the population. Elsewhere it says that Christians make up between 5 and 10% of the population, i.e. 4 - 8,000,000.
 
Andalublue said:
It's wrong. Wiki contradicts itself on the numbers, but estimates that there are around 16,000,000 Coptic Christians in Egypt. That would be 20% of the population. Elsewhere it says that Christians make up between 5 and 10% of the population, i.e. 4 - 8,000,000.
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Not half, either way.
 
Conservative said:
What you are ignoring is that the calls and protests for democracy in the region have led to Islamic radicals to take over and defy the will of the people. Then what? How far are you willing to go to assure that the will of the people for a democracy is realized? Radical islam is always a step ahead of most people, step one, remove the existing govt, step two elect a weak leader, step three remove that leader and install a well funded Islamic fundmentalist that implements a real dictatorship.
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I'm not willing to take any steps to either 1) prop up Mubarak or 2) circumvent the will of the Egyptian people.

What is it you think we should do? Send in paratroopers?
 
Dirty Harry said:
Egypt has a powerful military thanks to us. Whoever they support will rule the country as long as it remains united.

Good thing Egypt has strict gun laws or it would be a blood bath right now.
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Looks like Egypt's gun laws aren't all that strict.

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Egypt is 1.9 million

The rate of private gun ownership in Egypt is 3.52 firearms per 100 people

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt
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It could be argued that private gun ownership in Egypt is keeping this from becoming a blood bath.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
I think we got involved at the proper time. Is Egypt invading other countries yet?
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Is that the proper time? Seems like we tried that apporach once and 40 million people died.
 
apdst said:
Looks like Egypt's gun laws aren't all that strict.



It could be argued that private gun ownership in Egypt is keeping this from becoming a blood bath.
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1.9 million total guns in a country of 80+ million seems pretty strict to me.
 
Tucker Case said:
1.9 million total guns in a country of 80+ million seems pretty strict to me.
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They rank 37 out of 178 in the world for private gun ownership. "pretty strict", compared to the United States, perhaps, but it's not like private gun ownership is outright illegal.
 
apdst said:
So, instead we're just going to be content with, "peace in our time"? :rofl
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Do you actually believe the US should have invaded Germany in the 30s?
Do you suggest we invade Egypt now?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I'm not willing to take any steps to either 1) prop up Mubarak or 2) circumvent the will of the Egyptian people.

What is it you think we should do? Send in paratroopers?
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We should be careful what we wish for. I see no effort on the part of this country to negotiate with anyone, maybe I am wrong.
 
apdst said:
They rank 37 out of 178 in the world for private gun ownership. "pretty strict", compared to the United States, perhaps, but it's not like private gun ownership is outright illegal.
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In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Egypt ranks at No. 37.
Civilians are not allowed to own long guns in Egypt. That's "pretty strict".
 
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apdst said:
They rank 37 out of 178 in the world for private gun ownership. "pretty strict", compared to the United States, perhaps, but it's not like private gun ownership is outright illegal.
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Dirty Harry said:
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Egypt ranks at No. 115.
Civilians are not allowed to own long guns in Egypt. That's "pretty strict".
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Which is it guys? 37 or 115? There's a bit of a difference. Links to sources might help.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Do you actually believe the US should have invaded Germany in the 30s?
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Damn right! Don't you?

Do you suggest we invade Egypt now?
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Not now, but I'm sure the idea will look better as time goes by. Especially, if the Brotherhood carries out it's threat of war with Israel.
 
Andalublue said:
Which is it guys? 37 or 115? There's a bit of a difference. Links to sources might help.
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37.
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http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt
Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Egypt is 1.9 million
CompareRate of Civilian Firearm Possession
The rate of private gun ownership in Egypt is 3.52 firearms per 100 people
CompareNumber of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Egypt ranks at No. 37
CompareRate of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Egypt ranks at No. 115
 
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