Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Jetboogieman · Jan 31, 2011

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Conservative said:
Right, and that is what this forum offers a place for opinions AND facts. I have been very specific when I offered facts.

Not in that particular case.

Conservative · Jan 31, 2011

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Jetboogieman said:
Not in that particular case.

You want Barack Obama? Wish we could give him to you since rhetoric seems to always trump substance with you.

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Jetboogieman said:
That is a matter of opinion, not fact.

Not really.

Serenity · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
We sent millions--possibly billions--in aid to Palestine and those bastards still cheered in the streets when 3,000 Americans were murdered by Islamofacists.

you do realize that there are millions of people in the Palestinian Territories? not everyone thinks like that. do you think it's fair to paint an entire population of peoples with the same brush?

unless of course you want to use the same logic here and state that all Americans are 'bastards' and think like these idiots?

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Serenity said:
you do realize that there are millions of people in the Palestinian Territories? not everyone thinks like that. do you think it's fair to paint an entire population of peoples with the same brush?

unless of course you want to use the same logic here and state that all Americans are 'bastards' and think like these idiots?

We didn't stop until all of Germany was destroyed in 1945.

If you think I have one iota of sympathy for the Islamofacists, then you're definitely pissin' up the wrong tree.

Gray_Fox_86 · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
We didn't stop until all of Germany was destroyed in 1945.

If you think I have one iota of sympathy for the Islamofacists, then you're definitely pissin' up the wrong tree.

So then you do think like the guy in the picture? Ok fine have it your way.

Albert Di Salvo · Jan 31, 2011

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Leslie Gelb is considered a man of the left by conservatives. Here's what he thinks:

"...
The other "devil," now being proclaimed as misunderstood Islamic democrats, is the Muslim Brotherhood, and they should give us great pause. Baloney and wishful thinking aside, the MB would be calamitous for U.S. security. What's more, their current defenders don't really argue that point, as much as they seem to dismiss it as not important or something we can live with. The MB supports Hamas and other terrorist groups, makes friendly noises to Iranian dictators and torturers, would be uncertain landlords of the critical Suez Canal, and opposes the Egyptian-Israeli agreement of 1979, widely regarded as the foundation of peace in the Mideast. Above all, the MB would endanger counterterrorism efforts in the region and worldwide. That is a very big deal.

As for the MB's domestic democratic credentials, let me show some restraint here. To begin with, no one really has any sound idea of how they might rule; they haven't gotten close enough to power to fully judge. But they'd be bad for non-orthodox Islamic women...."

Read more: Beware Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Gray_Fox_86 said:
So then you do think like the guy in the picture? Ok fine have it your way.

If it were a picture of a guy holding a sign saying, "down with the Nazis", would you be asking the same question?

Gray_Fox_86 · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
If it were a picture of a guy holding a sign saying, "down with the Nazis", would you be asking the same question?

No. Because unlike the terrorists, the Nazis had a defined line that was accepted. You are putting all the people into the same group and that is not right.

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Gray_Fox_86 said:
No. Because unlike the terrorists, the Nazis had a defined line that was accepted. You are putting all the people into the same group and that is not right.

What the hell does that even mean? Care to elaborate?

Gray_Fox_86 · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
What the hell does that even mean? Care to elaborate?

Nazis were fifteen feet ahead of you. Ready to shoot you. Terrorists are everywhere and nowhere. Do I need to elaborate some more?

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Gray_Fox_86 said:
Nazis were fifteen feet ahead of you. Ready to shoot you. Terrorists are everywhere and nowhere. Do I need to elaborate some more?

No...you don't.

You've said all you need to say. :lamo

Gray_Fox_86 · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
No...you don't.

You've said all you need to say. :lamo

Maybe I should be the one laughing at you. Ignorater.

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Gray_Fox_86 said:
Maybe I should be the one laughing at you. Ignorater.

Oh! Name calling? Now, you're hittin' on all 8 cylinders. :rofl

Gray_Fox_86 · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
Oh! Name calling? Now, you're hittin' on all 8 cylinders. :rofl

What

Oh damnit!:slapme:

mbig · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
Radical Islam is going to hate any country that is allied with Israel; period.

We sent millions--possibly billions--in aid to Palestine and those bastards still cheered in the streets when 3,000 Americans were murdered by Islamofacists.

Radical Islam, Islamists, and even many in just plain Islam, do not like America regardless of Israel.

Arabs, and some of the the rest of Muslim World, 'Turned on their TV sets' in the second half of the 20th c and realized they were failures and Backwards. We, and especially Israel in their midst, stand an ongoing and tremendous Humiliation to the Arab/Muslim pride.

Arabs have a culture deeply rooted in 'Pride and humiliation'.
This complex must be considered in any dealings in the area. Also called placating the Arab 'Street'.

One of the problems in 'Palestinians' not accepting any deals offered for statehood has been this idea of losing face/pride.
Unable to accept anything less than 100% is just too much for them.

America's biggest problem with those in the area is not Israel, but a successful free country having proved Islam is mebbe not all that Big Mo says it's was cracked up to be. America as well, founded by Enlightened Christians, not Holy Book hang-ups/Koranic literalists, but men who were able to distinguish and guarantee what was fair for all.

Serenity · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
If it were a picture of a guy holding a sign saying, "down with the Nazis", would you be asking the same question?

what a ridiculous question.

the guy holding the sign is advocating for the destruction of the entire population of peoples in Gaza. he is not holding a sign that says 'down with terrorists' (to which i absolutely agree with). he is calling for the total destruction of everyone in Gaza. over 1.5 million people including 800,00 children.

unless of course you are suggesting they are all terrorists.

apdst · Jan 31, 2011

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Serenity said:
what a ridiculous question.

the guy holding the sign is advocating for the destruction of the entire population of peoples in Gaza. he is not holding a sign that says 'down with terrorists' (to which i absolutely agree with). he is calling for the total destruction of everyone in Gaza. over 1.5 million people including 800,00 children.

unless of course you are suggesting they are all terrorists.

No he's not. Why do equate that with destroying an entire people? I believe he's advocating the destruction of the Islamofacist movement.

Serenity · Jan 31, 2011

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apdst said:
No he's not. Why do equate that with destroying an entire people? I believe he's advocating the destruction of the Islamofacist movement.

yes he is.
the sign says 'until ALL of Gaza is destroyed the job is not done'

the Gaza strip currently holds approx 1.5 million people.

X Factor · Jan 31, 2011

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Serenity said:
yes he is.
the sign says 'until ALL of Gaza is destroyed the job is not done'

the Gaza strip currently holds approx 1.5 million people.

I've seen similar "Death to Israel" signs.

Serenity · Jan 31, 2011

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X Factor said:
I've seen similar "Death to Israel" signs.

yep. so have i. they're disgusting too.

i might just take a moment to remind you that i'm not the one judging an entire group of people by the actions of a few. that was my whole point of posting the picture to start with.

Tucker Case · Jan 31, 2011

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Albert Di Salvo said:
Because America is dependent on foreign sources of energy.

40% of our oil comes from US sources, but even though we are using foreign sources for 60% oil it doesn't mean that the money is going into foreign hands.

Albert Di Salvo said:
That is a recipe for the destruction of social cohesion in America.

When presenting a fear-based argument, everything is portrayed as a "recipe for the destruction of social cohesion in America". Doesn't mean it actually is such a thing, though.

X Factor · Jan 31, 2011

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Serenity said:
yep. so have i. they're disgusting too.

i might just take a moment to remind you that i'm not the one judging an entire group of people by the actions of a few. that was my whole point of posting the picture to start with.

Okay, and I haven't read every post in this long thread, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if there is anti-Israel sentiment being expressed violently in Palestine (say), or a riot protesting Israel, you would try to get us to understand where you believe those sentiments are stemming from, right?

Albert Di Salvo · Jan 31, 2011

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Tucker Case said:
40% of our oil comes from US sources, but even though we are using foreign sources for 60% oil it doesn't mean that the money is going into foreign hands.

When presenting a fear-based argument, everything is portrayed as a "recipe for the destruction of social cohesion in America". Doesn't mean it actually is such a thing, though.

Generally, crude oil is fungible. Except for nation to nation deals like the ones worked out by the Chinese, the price of crude oil is established by the commodities market. That is outside American control without additional production from this country.

By your own calculations sixty percent of the funds spent by Americans on crude oil goes to foreign producers. This is a transfer of wealth out of America and into foreign coffers.

Fear and anger are powerful motivators. Like lightening on a rainy night stampeding a herd. Time will tell who is correct.

Serenity · Jan 31, 2011

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X Factor said:
Okay, and I haven't read every post in this long thread, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if there is anti-Israel sentiment being expresses violently in Palestine (say), or a riot protesting Israel, you would try to get us to understand where those sentiments are stemming from, right?

you don't have to read every post, it's just been over the last few pages. i posted initially to say why i thought using extreme cases and trying to paint everyone with the same brush was wrong. and i stand by that.

not every Palestinian is an evil terrorist or 'bastard' and dances in the streets when Americans are killed. not every American is calling for the destruction of Gaza like the idiot holding that sign.

that was my point.

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