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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Not at all. That doesnt explain the massive void of leadership.

I don't see allowing the SoS to do their job as being a "massive void of leadership". :shrug:
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Great, incredible impact on this country and foreign affairs. Have to give you credit, you came up with one regardless of how insignificant.

:prof If you use your bias to disregard anything that is given, you'll always consider it insignificant.
 
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:prof If you use your bias to disregard anything that is given, you'll always consider it insignificant.

Name for us the significance of that "success" for this country and if that is the best you can do then you made my point. Partisanship has nothing to do with it, reality matters, although I will admit I have absolutely no use for Obama or Hillary and their results seems to support that position.
 
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Name for us the significance of that "success" for this country and if that is the best you can do then you made my point.

Having a major impact on ending, even temporarily, a 16 year old dispute between two nations is "signoificant, no matter how you may want to spin it as insignificant.

But directly, it helped lead to US-Armenian trade agreement as well as works to create a reputation for being capable at brokering these types of negotiations.

Partisanship has nothing to do with it, reality matters, although I will admit I have absolutely no use for Obama or Hillary and their results seems to support that position.

If you ignore the results when they occur, you're ignoring reality. I remember this being a big enough issue that Bush found it necessary to include himself in it.
 
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Having a major impact on ending, even temporarily, a 16 year old dispute between two nations is "signoificant, no matter how you may want to spin it as insignificant.

But directly, it helped lead to US-Armenian trade agreement as well as works to create a reputation for being capable at brokering these types of negotiations.



If you ignore the results when they occur, you're ignoring reality. I remember this being a big enough issue that Bush found it necessary to include himself in it.

Wonderful, we now have a great trade relationship with Armenia which I am sure is great for those who want a good suit. Meanwhile North Korea threatens one of our best allies, Iran is out of control, violence is increasing in Iraq, Tunesia had a violent revolt, Yemen and Jordan are under political assault, and Egypt is in turmoil but what the hell Hillary brokered an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Thank you, Madam Secretary for the incredible successes.
 
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Wonderful, we now have a great trade relationship with Armenia which I am sure is great for those who want a good suit. Meanwhile North Korea threatens one of our best allies, Iran is out of control, violence is increasing in Iraq, Tunesia had a violent revolt, Yemen and Jordan are under political assault, and Egypt is in turmoil but what the hell Hillary brokered an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Thank you, Madam Secretary for the incredible successes.

You cant really fault Hillary. Its Obama's foreign policy that is non-existent. I get boo'd for it...but I always said I would have voted for her over McCain or this empty suit of a president. "Leader"...heh...cant even use it in a sentence with the mans name.
 
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Wonderful, we now have a great trade relationship with Armenia which I am sure is great for those who want a good suit.

It's a benefit.

Meanwhile North Korea threatens one of our best allies, Iran is out of control, violence is increasing in Iraq, Tunesia had a violent revolt, Yemen and Jordan are under political assault, and Egypt is in turmoil but what the hell Hillary brokered an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Thank you, Madam Secretary for the incredible successes.

North Korea has been threatening one of our best allies for quite some time and violence increased in Iraq at various times since the war there began. It's not good, but it's not something that can be blamed on the Obama administration.

As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?
 
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It's a benefit.



North Korea has been threatening one of our best allies for quite some time and violence increased in Iraq at various times since the war there began. It's not good, but it's not something that can be blamed on the Obama administration.

As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?[/QUOTE]

Is that the administrations position?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

It's a benefit.



North Korea has been threatening one of our best allies for quite some time and violence increased in Iraq at various times since the war there began. It's not good, but it's not something that can be blamed on the Obama administration.

As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?

I asked for someone to provide for me the positive accomplishments of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and you provided the Armenian/Turkey agreement, hardly a blip on the radar screen of the rest of the world. You provided me with at least an accomplishment as the rest of the world burns.
 
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I asked for someone to provide for me the positive accomplishments of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and you provided the Armenian/Turkey agreement, hardly a blip on the radar screen of the rest of the world. You provided me with at least an accomplishment as the rest of the world burns.

(cant believe I am defending her...)

How would you see her better representing Obama's foreign policy???
 
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(cant believe I am defending her...)

How would you see her better representing Obama's foreign policy???

You don't have to defend her and you are right it is the Obama Foreign Policy that she is implementing. If she had any principles at all she would resign if she doesn't agree with those policies which haven't generated any positive foreign policy successes. Guess the Obama Cairo Speech really paid dividends in the region, LOL. Just goes to show we have an empty suit in the WH who is in over his head. If Hillary doesn't support the Obama policy thus the results being generated she should resign.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with having the Secretary of State do the job of the Secretary of State, no.

VP Joe Biden said that Hosni Mubarak was not a dictator and that he should stay in office.

Secty Clinton said that Hosni Mubarak should make way for a transitional govt.

This occurred within a period of twenty four hours.

Who is in charge and what is American policy on this issue?

I understand that Obama went to a party Saturday night instead keeping vigil in the War Room. Is that leadership?

The whole world wonders.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Having a major impact on ending, even temporarily, a 16 year old dispute between two nations is "signoificant, no matter how you may want to spin it as insignificant.

But directly, it helped lead to US-Armenian trade agreement as well as works to create a reputation for being capable at brokering these types of negotiations.


If you ignore the results when they occur, you're ignoring reality. I remember this being a big enough issue that Bush found it necessary to include himself in it.

America's vital national interests are not affected by Turkish/Armenian relations. My gawd, you're grasping at straws.
 
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You don't have to defend her and you are right it is the Obama Foreign Policy that she is implementing. If she had any principles at all she would resign if she doesn't agree with those policies which haven't generated any positive foreign policy successes. Guess the Obama Cairo Speech really paid dividends in the region, LOL. Just goes to show we have an empty suit in the WH who is in over his head. If Hillary doesn't support the Obama policy thus the results being generated she should resign.

I have this image of her playing this soundtrack in her mind every time she puts down the phone...

"Oh my ****ing God....I CANNOT believe those morons picked this douchebag over me...Bills neutered dog has more balls than him..."
 
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VP Joe Biden said that Hosni Mubarak was not a dictator and that he should stay in office.

Secty Clinton said that Hosni Mubarak should make way for a transitional govt.

This occurred within a period of twenty four hours.

Who is in charge and what is American policy on this issue?

I understand that Obama went to a party Saturday night instead keeping vigil in the War Room. Is that leadership?

The whole world wonders.

It is best if Obama keeps a low profile and lets it play out. Look at what happens when Biden and Clinton open their mouths.
 
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...As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?

I love it when people take positions that can't be defended.

Are you an American? Most Americans are interested in furthering the national interests of the American people, not the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

That's a joke right?

Not a joke...but it WAS funny!!!

Come on...the guy has his Napolitana groping children at airports but wont go near border security...what marching orders do you expect for his SoS?
 
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It is best if Obama keeps a low profile and lets it play out. Look at what happens when Biden and Clinton open their mouths.

I agree. But he needs to do his job. He needs to stay in the white house and manage a cisis of this magnitude instead of going to parties.
 
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Not a joke...but it WAS funny!!!

Come on...the guy has his Napolitana groping children at airports but wont go near border security...what marching orders do you expect for his SoS?

Maybe this fellow is so sanguine because he is a commodities trader who is going to make serious money from the skyrocketing price of crude oil.

Foreign policy has a direct impact on the standard of living of the American people. This disaster for America cannot be hidden.
 
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Maybe this fellow is so sanguine because he is a commodities trader who is going to make serious money from the skyrocketing price of crude oil.

Foreign policy has a direct impact on the standard of living of the American people. This disaster for America cannot be hidden.

I suspect he is keeping silent so that when it all works it out whatever way it works they can say, yep...thats what we figured would happen... If you never take a position you can never really be 'wrong.'
 
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I suspect he is keeping silent so that when it all works it out whatever way it works they can say, yep...thats what we figured would happen... If you never take a position you can never really be 'wrong.'

Damnation...Obamanation. The vultures are coming home to roost with a vengeance.
 
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