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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Hillary Clinton is no longer making watered-down statements voicing "concern" or calling this an "opportunity for reform." She just called for an orderly transition to a democratic participatory government. Game over, Mubarak.

What because Hillary Clinton says so? :roll:

Really though I would be willing to bet that even the far left goverment that now runs our country is privately hoping that Mubark retains control & settles things down even though at this point it seems unlikely. The chances of a democratically elected goverment similiar to a western democracy is unlikely. You can bet the Brotherhood is plotting for an overthrow at this very moment and besides the army... who is going to stop them? My guess is these statements coming from the administration are put forth if & when the government is overthrown, then they can claim we supported it.
 
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conservative and iron yank would prefer to hit the rewind button to keep those savages in check(protesters), after all they dont need a free democratic government that serves its own peoples interest, they need a puppet like mubarek to hold them down just because iron yank and conservative most likely hate arabs and mooslems, am i right guys?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

What because Hillary Clinton says so? :roll:

Mubarak cannot survive without the support of the United States.

Iron Yank said:
Really though I would be willing to bet that even the far left goverment that now runs our country is privately hoping that Mubark retains control & settles things down even though at this point it seems unlikely.

A corollary to Ben Franklin's liberty/security dilemma might read like this: "He who would trade essential democracy for temporary stability will lose both and deserves neither." Whatever the merits of supporting Mubarak were in the past, they are no longer true. Mubarak doesn't provide any stability, and in the long term Egypt will be better off with democracy even if they make mistakes along the way.

Iron Yank said:
The chances of a democratically elected goverment similiar to a western democracy is unlikely.

I agree. But that's OK. Egypt should be able to elect whatever kind of government they want, whether it's like ours or not. We can and should continue encouraging them to support free speech, free press, peace with Israel, and women's rights, regardless of who they elect.

Iron Yank said:
You can bet the Brotherhood is plotting for an overthrow at this very moment and besides the army... who is going to stop them?

"Besides the army"? Isn't that enough? How do you think the Muslim Brotherhood is going to forcibly defeat the Egyptian army?

Iron Yank said:
My guess is these statements coming from the administration are put forth if & when the government is overthrown, then they can claim we supported it.

Sadly, you're probably right. The US didn't seem to have much problem with Mubarak's governance until it looked like he was going to lose this battle. But that doesn't mean we can't stand with the protesters now. Better to do the right thing late than never.
 
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Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Yeah it's probably a good time for the leader of the free world to grab a hold of those round thingies between his legs and order Mubarak out of Egypt.
 
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It looks like they're staging a "show of force" which mostly consists of sending helicopters and tanks to the center of Cairo...but aren't really fighting the protesters, aside from the occasional random shot fired. There have been some reports that the guys in the tanks are demonstrating alongside the Egyptian people.

What does the "show of force" exactly mean for the protesters?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Assuming they don't start open-firing, probably nothing. And even if they do, it's probably too late for Mubarak to restore order.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

conservative and iron yank would prefer to hit the rewind button to keep those savages in check(protesters), after all they dont need a free democratic government that serves its own peoples interest, they need a puppet like mubarek to hold them down just because iron yank and conservative most likely hate arabs and mooslems, am i right guys?

You know what I think, I think you want the hard line Islamists to take over so they can persecute christians & attack the Jews because deep down you hate Jews just like the muslim brotherhood & Hitler. Am I right dude?

btw..... Being an educator I hope to hell your not teaching english... one reason our kids dont even no how to spell these days...
 
So close yet so far away. The Muslim brotherhood is considered a terrorist organization by........Al Qaeda. Why? Because the MB wants modernity and not extremism rule. Basically what you wrote is what the MB believe in.

You are joking, right?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

What because Hillary Clinton says so? :roll:


Really. Hillary is as weak and ignorant as the rest of Washington in regards to the world....

"Our assessment is that the Egyptian government is stable and is looking for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people...."http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/25/egypt-protests

What this tells us is that our leaders are either more than williing to deny the issues or completely void of Middle Eastern mood. And given that too many of our "expert" analysts are so eager to imply that "Khomeini" is awaiting in the shadows to rise and lead Egypt (thereby the Arab Middle East) into religious terror, no one up there is worth their pay checks.
 
You are joking, right?

No......basically I am under the impression that the MB would be better for Egypt than what its like under Mubarek. And the MB is not anywhere the level of what we see in Iran or Saudi Arabia. They are moderates.
 
You are joking, right?

No...he's just an antagonizer or he just doesn't understand things. I haven't quite figured it out yet from thread to thread. And he will not have things explained to him either.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Assuming they don't start open-firing, probably nothing. And even if they do, it's probably too late for Mubarak to restore order.

Oh it's too late. He's finished. The longer he stays, the more violent this is going to get and more difficult it is going to be to control after the fact. Mubarak breathing air in Egypt is tactically bad for us.
 
No...he's just an antagonizer or he just doesn't understand things. I haven't quite figured it out yet from thread to thread. And he will not have things explained to him either.

Oh, I am so saddened now. That you will not explain things to me. Now I will never understand a thing.
 
No......basically I am under the impression that the MB would be better for Egypt than what its like under Mubarek. And the MB is not anywhere the level of what we see in Iran or Saudi Arabia. They are moderates.

I'm pretty skeptical that the Muslim Brotherhood would be "moderates" or favor "modernity"...but I agree that they'd be better than Mubarak at this point, as long as they are democratically elected. It's important that we understand that democracy is not just about elections, but also about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Assuming that a democratically-elected MB government didn't crack down on those and continued to hold fair elections, Egypt would be a better place in the long term regardless of the short-term effects of reactionary MB policies. The Egyptian people could vote them out after they got tired of them.

And I'm not so sure that the Egyptian people would even elect the Muslim Brotherhood anyway. I suppose it's more likely than not that they would, but I don't think it's a given.
 
No......basically I am under the impression that the MB would be better for Egypt than what its like under Mubarek. And the MB is not anywhere the level of what we see in Iran or Saudi Arabia. They are moderates.

Nothing moderate about the MB. They want Islamic Democracy which is exactly what you will find in Iran.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Yeah it's probably a good time for the leader of the free world to grab a hold of those round thingies between his legs and order Mubarak out of Egypt.

This.
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Oh, I am so saddened now. That you will not explain things to me. Now I will never understand a thing.

Well I do explain things to you. I have told you that you are focusing too much on the Muslim Brotherhood's modern day words (and some chosen pieces of writ) and not the reality. They believe in the return of the caliphate and Sharia. Sadat was assassinated by members of the Brotherhood because 1) his deal with Israel, and 2) his willingness to push religion further away from government. Virtually all Arab terrorists in the last 50 years have been members of the Brotherhood. Sayyid Qutb's writings, which declared the U.S. as the enemy of God in the 1950s, is the most influential for the Brotherhood. Osama bin Laden even claimed to have been influenced by the religious and political ideas of several professors with strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

What you hear the Brotherhood speak from behind microphones today is meant to fool people like you who are willing to believe that they are all about freedom, democracy, love, sharing, rainbows, etc. But they are what they have always been.

I will even give you a link to learn about the Muslim Brotherhood....

Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now you have no excuse for not understanding things.
 
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The Egyption air force is making low runs over the crowds with F-16s trying to scare them. I hope this isn't another case of the US selling arms to countries that get turned on their own people and eventually used against US soldiers.
 
Notice how Mubarak, Suleiman and Shafiq are all former military men. Mubarak is scrambling for military loyalty. Tug of war between protesters and mubarak for the army i think.
 
Notice how Mubarak, Suleiman and Shafiq are all former military men. Mubarak is scrambling for military loyalty. Tug of war between protesters and mubarak for the army i think.

Whoever controls the military controls the country. Thanks to the US the Egyption military is a major force.
 
No......basically I am under the impression that the MB would be better for Egypt than what its like under Mubarek. And the MB is not anywhere the level of what we see in Iran or Saudi Arabia. They are moderates.

Are you really this nieve? Al Qaeda is an offshoot group from the brotherhood.
Ayman Al Zawaheri (Al Qaeda's #2) was is a member of the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood. The Muslim brotherhood is the worst option for Egypt and especially for Israel & the US.

Also who do you think has been persecuting the copts all these years?

Oh and the brotherhood had Anwar Sadat assasinated because he made peace with Israel

The Brotherhood are not moderates the are extreme radicals....
 
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The Egyption air force is making low runs over the crowds with F-16s trying to scare them. I hope this isn't another case of the US selling arms to countries that get turned on their own people and eventually used against US soldiers.

Not our problem. We support the french government. Does that mean the French owe their freedom to us or do they reserve such credit to their own culture? Why then are people so quick to allow cultures, that default to oppression, a way to escape their responsibilities? Do we get to be given credit for cellular technology, which they are using to get information out? Do we get any credit what so ever for any of themodernized facilities in Egypt over the last 30 years that Egyptians rely upon and enjoy? No. But people will damn sure point out an F-16 or a gas canister.
 
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