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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

In a perfect world they would. Joe and Hillary must not have gotten the memo. Or it could have been a ploy by Obama to cover all the bases in case Mubarak came out on top.


eh, maybe. But even this is speculation, and we can't know for sure. The only thing I am saying, is that we need to be unified in our message or shut the hell up. We are in this mess because of decades of ME radicals viewing our involvement as meddling in their affairs, rather than the truth of the matter that it was protecting our interests. So, if it is true democratic liberty based revolution then ofcourse I, and I am sure you are all for it. If it is however something more nefarious, then we have a problem.

j-mac
 
eh, maybe. But even this is speculation, and we can't know for sure. The only thing I am saying, is that we need to be unified in our message or shut the hell up. We are in this mess because of decades of ME radicals viewing our involvement as meddling in their affairs, rather than the truth of the matter that it was protecting our interests. So, if it is true democratic liberty based revolution then ofcourse I, and I am sure you are all for it. If it is however something more nefarious, then we have a problem.

j-mac

Since everyone has their own opinion it is impossible to be unified on anything. This still is a free country.

Meddling in their affairs to protect our interests. Does protecting our interests give us the right to meddle in their affairs? Would we tolerate any country meddling in our affairs to protect their interests? Why would we expect them to?
 
Since everyone has their own opinion it is impossible to be unified on anything. This still is a free country.

So we shouldn't expect the Executive branch of our government to have a singular, direct message? Really?

Meddling in their affairs to protect our interests.

No, I said that was the perception of the radicals in the ME.

Does protecting our interests give us the right to meddle in their affairs?

Tens of Billions of dollars in aid over the years, and we don't have a say? Why is it that you would hold American companies that take your dollars to one standard, yet, hemorrhage Billions to other countries and sit silent?


Would we tolerate any country meddling in our affairs to protect their interests? Why would we expect them to?


Are you kidding? China anyone? Hell, Obama is probably practicing his bow at the waist as we type.


j-mac
 
So we shouldn't expect the Executive branch of our government to have a singular, direct message? Really?

Is that possible? We should get honest answers from everyone even if they disagree with their boss.
 
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Tens of Billions of dollars in aid over the years, and we don't have a say? Why is it that you would hold American companies that take your dollars to one standard, yet, hemorrhage Billions to other countries and sit silent?
So bribing their government makes it OK for their citizens?





Are you kidding? China anyone? Hell, Obama is probably practicing his bow at the waist as we type.
How is China meddling in our affairs? Do they have military bases here that I don't know about? Our problems with china didn't begin in 2009.
 
So bribing their government makes it OK for their citizens?


What? Wait, who said that? All I am saying is that if we give our dollars to these places then we should have a say, or don't give it! Right?


How is China meddling in our affairs? Do they have military bases here that I don't know about? Our problems with china didn't begin in 2009.

OMG, if you are going to be genuine in this discussion then tell me now. The problems didn't start in '09, but unless you are still in the blame everyone else mode, then Obama is at the helm now isn't he?

Is that possible? We should get honest answers from everyone even if they disagree with their boss.

And how does that help other than make us look weak and at odds with each other to the world?


j-mac
 
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What? Wait, who said that? All I am saying is that if we give our dollars to these places then we should have a say, or don't give it! Right?
Don't give it or at least only humanitarian aid. Propping up other rgimes by giving them money and arms is not a good way to endear ourselves with their citizens


OMG, if you are going to be genuine in this discussion then tell me now. The problems didn't start in '09, but unless you are still in the blame everyone else mode, then Obama is at the helm now isn't he?
What is Obama supposed to do about China? It's too late now.
And how does that help other than make us look weak and at odds with each other to the world?
It's being honest and shows that people can disagree in a free country. Doesn't make us look weak at all..makes us look free.

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don't give it or at least only humanitarian aid. Propping up other rgimes by giving them money and arms is not a good way to endear ourselves with their citizens

Ok, I'm right there with ya. don't give it. But I'll go one step further, humanitarian aid gone as well, we don't have the money! So who do you think steps in?


What is Obama supposed to do about China? It's too late now.

What the....? Are you insane? we should just forget about it? We aren't anything, or anyone that can do anything now? What kind of self defeatist crap is this?


It's being honest and shows that people can disagree in a free country. Doesn't make us look weak at all..makes us look free.

This is the type of America is not exceptional BS that is the hallmark of the Obama failure as a President. It's weak stick thinking. And yes the rest of the world see's it, and has already exploited it.


j-mac
 
What the....? Are you insane? we should just forget about it? We aren't anything, or anyone that can do anything now? What kind of self defeatist crap is this?




That's not an answer. What should he do now? We owe them a fortune. They have taken many of our jobs and we can not compete with their cost of labor. Just what should Obama do about China? Do you have an answer?
Insane? Thats a real intelligent response.
 
This is the type of America is not exceptional BS that is the hallmark of the Obama failure as a President. It's weak stick thinking. And yes the rest of the world see's it, and has already exploited it.


j-mac

Give me a break. Everyone towing the party line is a show of strength? It might be in a dictatorship. Here where people have the freedom to disagree with their boss it shows liberty.
 
That's not an answer. What should he do now? We owe them a fortune. They have taken many of our jobs and we can not compete with their cost of labor. Just what should Obama do about China? Do you have an answer?
Insane? Thats a real intelligent response.


I wasn't aware that the administration was awaiting my solutions for a China policy. Well, I think that it would start by us becoming more fiscally responsible, and not by continuing the same failed crap.

That is unless you just could care less if we remain the US or not.


j-mac
 
Give me a break. Everyone towing the party line is a show of strength? It might be in a dictatorship. Here where people have the freedom to disagree with their boss it shows liberty.


No, no, no....Not unless you think Obama is the King, and the VP, SoS, and his own spokes idiot are just subordnates that are disagreeing with him as a show of defiance. That displays a remarkable lack of understanding of what government is....Sorry.


j-mac
 
No, no, no....Not unless you think Obama is the King, and the VP, SoS, and his own spokes idiot are just subordnates that are disagreeing with him as a show of defiance. That displays a remarkable lack of understanding of what government is....Sorry.


j-mac

You're kidding. Lying about what you believe in order to agree with the president is a good thing in your mind? Everyone in this country had a different opinion of what we should do about Egypt. Should everyone pretend to agree with the official stance? I think you might be happier in a dictatorship where they tell you what to think.
 
Well, I think that it would start by us becoming more fiscally responsible, and not by continuing the same failed crap.


I saw a graphic on either today's WashPost or NYTimes front page. It had a bar showing the revenues we collect, then it had a bar showing our 2012 budget. It's a $1.1 trillion deficit. The budget bar was divided into mandatory entitlements, discretionary spending, and interest on the debt. The discretionary was further split into defense, etc. The thing that caught my eye was that the interest and the mandatory spending just about completely absorbed all the revenues - at least 90% of it. The rest of the government, operating expenses, were practically all deficit. :( :( :(
 
I saw a graphic on either today's WashPost or NYTimes front page. It had a bar showing the revenues we collect, then it had a bar showing our 2012 budget. It's a $1.1 trillion deficit. The budget bar was divided into mandatory entitlements, discretionary spending, and interest on the debt. The discretionary was further split into defense, etc. The thing that caught my eye was that the interest and the mandatory spending just about completely absorbed all the revenues - at least 90% of it. The rest of the government, operating expenses, were practically all deficit. :( :( :(

It may be too late. They probably should have done something in the 80s when Reagan didn't believe deficits mattered.
 
I saw a graphic on either today's WashPost or NYTimes front page. It had a bar showing the revenues we collect, then it had a bar showing our 2012 budget. It's a $1.1 trillion deficit. The budget bar was divided into mandatory entitlements, discretionary spending, and interest on the debt. The discretionary was further split into defense, etc. The thing that caught my eye was that the interest and the mandatory spending just about completely absorbed all the revenues - at least 90% of it. The rest of the government, operating expenses, were practically all deficit. :( :( :(


Beck did a segment on it yesterday's show, it's stunning.

It's at 22:20 and forward on this show. The whole show is great but the actual piece is there.



Now I know that the Beck detractors will mock and not even watch the video when it is presented for them to watch, but oh man, might I suggest that you just this one time watch it?


j-mac
 
You're kidding. Lying about what you believe in order to agree with the president is a good thing in your mind? Everyone in this country had a different opinion of what we should do about Egypt. Should everyone pretend to agree with the official stance? I think you might be happier in a dictatorship where they tell you what to think.


*Sigh* You're missing the point. Let's try this, say you have a company, and you make widgets that everyone wants. Something goes wrong, and you come out and tell the press that all is fine, your VP comes out, and says that everything is horrible, your COO comes out and says that there are problems but only minor ones, and your company spokes person comes out and calls for a boycott of the defective product that you produce. But all's good right....Nothing bad could come of that kind of message.....pfft.


j-mac
 
Now I know that the Beck detractors will mock and not even watch the video when it is presented for them to watch, but oh man, might I suggest that you just this one time watch it?


j-mac

I'll admit I actually watched it from the segment you were talking about.

But here's the difference j-mac, he used actual facts in that segment, it wasn't a bad segment actually, it was pretty informative and to be honest I learned a little bit there, but it doesn't change the fact when he starts talking about Nazi's, George Soros, Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Obama all working in cahoots to bring wind farms to your back yard in an effort to further the gay agenda and get rid of white people, that he's not being an idiot in that instance.

Yes I know I am exagerating, but that's the word, I stick to it.
 
I'll admit I actually watched it from the segment you were talking about.

But here's the difference j-mac, he used actual facts in that segment, it wasn't a bad segment actually, it was pretty informative and to be honest I learned a little bit there, but it doesn't change the fact when he starts talking about Nazi's, George Soros, Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Obama all working in cahoots to bring wind farms to your back yard in an effort to further the gay agenda and get rid of white people, that he's not being an idiot in that instance.

Yes I know I am exagerating, but that's the word, I stick to it.


the segment is what I'd like to stick to, not the entire collective history of Glenn Beck made up or not. In that segment it was jaw dropping I thought, and highlighted rather well, just how Obama is lying to the people.

j-mac
 
*Sigh* You're missing the point. Let's try this, say you have a company, and you make widgets that everyone wants. Something goes wrong, and you come out and tell the press that all is fine, your VP comes out, and says that everything is horrible, your COO comes out and says that there are problems but only minor ones, and your company spokes person comes out and calls for a boycott of the defective product that you produce. But all's good right....Nothing bad could come of that kind of message.....pfft.


j-mac

What you don't seem to understand is there was no "right" official position when it came to egypt. It was a dynamic situation and it worked out just fine with multiple messages. Had we put all our support to Mubarak things could have gotten real nasty, yet to abandon him after all he did for the US wasn't right either. Obama and his crew did a good job of showing concern but staying out of it and keeping a low profile.
Are you really upset that everyone had a different opinion? That may have been the plan.
 
Beck did a segment on it yesterday's show, it's stunning.

It's at 22:20 and forward on this show. The whole show is great but the actual piece is there.



Now I know that the Beck detractors will mock and not even watch the video when it is presented for them to watch, but oh man, might I suggest that you just this one time watch it?


j-mac


Perot is back, charts and all, to take on U.S. deficit spending | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,976593,00.html


You just catching on now?
 
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the segment is what I'd like to stick to, not the entire collective history of Glenn Beck made up or not. In that segment it was jaw dropping I thought, and highlighted rather well, just how Obama is lying to the people.

j-mac

Republicans are lying to, everyone talks of cutting ear marks and foriegn aid, yeah like that'll do anything, no one wants to actually tackle the real problems.

Its really redundant to say that Obama is lying, he's a politician bro, that's as redundant as saying Micheal Jackson had plastic surgery.
 
Republicans are lying to, everyone talks of cutting ear marks and foriegn aid, yeah like that'll do anything, no one wants to actually tackle the real problems.

Its really redundant to say that Obama is lying, he's a politician bro, that's as redundant as saying Micheal Jackson had plastic surgery.

Politicians will continue to lie until we say enough. This is the one reason that if this country does indeed fail, it is because we allow it.


j-mac
 
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