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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Until liberals let us drill our own oil, what options do we have?

You are drilling for oil

Lots of rigs are active in North Dakota, lots of natural gas is being drilled for in the north east. (ie New York, Penn)
 
Until liberals let us drill our own oil, what options do we have?

Yeah those devious liberals created a world with an energy supply that is a finite fossil fuel, those ********!
 
The US caused it

The US did invade Iraq, the insurgents did not

Oh, so it's our fault that the insurgents went around killing their own people?

Do you know how rediculous that sounds?
 
I'll let you know as soon as you explain how you can have a Democratic government by excluding a segment of the population.

Does Germany have a democratic government?
 
Yeah those devious liberals created a world with an energy supply that is a finite fossil fuel, those ********!

If we did it right, we wouldn't need a drop from the Middle East. But we wouldn't want to disrupt the mating habit of the caribou or get in the way of all the other countries drilling in our gulf.
 
We didn't shoot them. We didn't create the havoc that caused displacement.

What do you think an invasion doe to a country. Make it a utopian paradise, where unicorns are abundant, peace and love abound.

It causes havoc, chaos, especially when the people of the invaded country decide to fight back against the invasion, and seek to become the dominate group when the dust settles. That and disbanding the Iraqi armed forces after then invasion didnt help with preventing the havoc.

and yes the US did shoot Iraqis, and bomb them and kill a fair number of them
 
If we did it right, we wouldn't need a drop from the Middle East. But we wouldn't want to disrupt the mating habit of the caribou or get in the way of all the other countries drilling in our gulf.

There is not enough oil in Alaska to make the US energy independant, nor oil in the dakotas. The US might have enough oil far off shore (deep water) but has not found the reserves yet. The US has two sources of energy that are in abundance (other then coal) shale gas and oil shale. Oil shale is not currently economically viable, while shale gas is. Shale gas is one reason for the very cheap price of natural gas currently. Conveting it to liquified gasonline products is most likely not economically viable at this moment in time, but might be in the future.
 
Oh, so it's our fault that the insurgents went around killing their own people?

It didn't start till our invasion.
 
Does Germany have a democratic government?

Nazi Germany sought to exclude a segment of its population just as you advocate doing in Egypt.
 
If we did it right, we wouldn't need a drop from the Middle East. But we wouldn't want to disrupt the mating habit of the caribou or get in the way of all the other countries drilling in our gulf.

Geologists have determined, at present US oil consumption rates, there is only enough oil in ANWR to last us about 1 year, and that is if 100% of the oil went to the US rather than the world market which is the usual way the oil companies do business.
 
There is not enough oil in Alaska to make the US energy independant, nor oil in the dakotas. The US might have enough oil far off shore (deep water) but has not found the reserves yet. The US has two sources of energy that are in abundance (other then coal) shale gas and oil shale. Oil shale is not currently economically viable, while shale gas is. Shale gas is one reason for the very cheap price of natural gas currently. Conveting it to liquified gasonline products is most likely not economically viable at this moment in time, but might be in the future.

If shale oil becomes economically viable (which it might if the Suez Canal is compromised at some point) we have a virtually endless supply sitting underneath the Rocky Mountains.

We're the only country in the world that refuses to use its own resources. The world laughs at us for this.
 
It didn't start till our invasion.

You're right. Before the invasion, their government did it.

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What do you think an invasion doe to a country. Make it a utopian paradise, where unicorns are abundant, peace and love abound.

It causes havoc, chaos, especially when the people of the invaded country decide to fight back against the invasion, and seek to become the dominate group when the dust settles. That and disbanding the Iraqi armed forces after then invasion didnt help with preventing the havoc.

and yes the US did shoot Iraqis, and bomb them and kill a fair number of them

There was no insurgency initially. The people did decide to fight back, but they not only fought us, they killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands. They also sought sectarian violence and started a civil war. The blood is on their hands, predominantly, not ours. So statements such that we killed tens of thousands of Iraqis is complete bull****.
 
You're right. Before the invasion, their government did it.

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With support from the US!

"The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism."
U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq

"Washington, D.C., 25 February 2003 - The National Security Archive at George Washington University today published on the Web a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980's, including the renewal of diplomatic relations that had been suspended since 1967. The documents show that during this period of renewed U.S. support for Saddam, he had invaded his neighbor (Iran), had long-range nuclear aspirations that would "probably" include "an eventual nuclear weapon capability," harbored known terrorists in Baghdad, abused the human rights of his citizens, and possessed and used chemical weapons on Iranians and his own people. The U.S. response was to renew ties, to provide intelligence and aid to ensure Iraq would not be defeated by Iran, and to send a high-level presidential envoy named Donald Rumsfeld to shake hands with Saddam (20 December 1983)."
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein - Press Release
 
With support from the US!

"The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism."
U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq

"Washington, D.C., 25 February 2003 - The National Security Archive at George Washington University today published on the Web a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980's, including the renewal of diplomatic relations that had been suspended since 1967. The documents show that during this period of renewed U.S. support for Saddam, he had invaded his neighbor (Iran), had long-range nuclear aspirations that would "probably" include "an eventual nuclear weapon capability," harbored known terrorists in Baghdad, abused the human rights of his citizens, and possessed and used chemical weapons on Iranians and his own people. The U.S. response was to renew ties, to provide intelligence and aid to ensure Iraq would not be defeated by Iran, and to send a high-level presidential envoy named Donald Rumsfeld to shake hands with Saddam (20 December 1983)."
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein - Press Release

So we supported gassing the Kurds. Got it.

We're horrible.
 
There was no insurgency initially. The people did decide to fight back, but they not only fought us, they killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands. They also sought sectarian violence and started a civil war. The blood is on their hands, predominantly, not ours. So statements such that we killed tens of thousands of Iraqis is complete bull****.

Let's review. We invade and militarily occupy a country that is of no threat to us, destabilizing the government that prevented a civil war in the country, killing those that tried to defend their country against a foreign occupation, a civil war breaks out between the warring factions that the previous government kept in check, but this all the Iraqis fault?

Is that your reasoning?
 
So we supported gassing the Kurds. Got it.

We're horrible.

You may be proud of our support of Saddam during the most ruthless part of his reign, I am not.
 
You may be proud of our support of Saddam during the most ruthless part of his reign, I am not.

So we're damned for supporting him, and we're damned for eliminating him.

Do you prefer the Darfur approach where we just stand idly by and act like it's not happening?
 
Nazi Germany sought to exclude a segment of its population just as you advocate doing in Egypt.

Germany is doing the same thing by outlawing the nazi party. Is Germany a democratic country?
 
You may be proud of our support of Saddam during the most ruthless part of his reign, I am not.

Yet, you claim that Saddam was preventing the civil war that--you claim--we created.

Can't have your cake and eat it, too,
 
Yet, you claim that Saddam was preventing the civil war that--you claim--we created.

Can't have your cake and eat it, too,

What???? There are 3 main factions in Iraq. Saddam, though a SOB, managed to keep the 3 factions from warring with one another. We removed the stabilizing factor and the 3 warring factions picked up where they left off.
 
What???? There are 3 main factions in Iraq. Saddam, though a SOB, managed to keep the 3 factions from warring with one another. We removed the stabilizing factor and the 3 warring factions picked up where they left off.

That's great! I love it!

By that logic, we should keep propping up Mubarack. :rofl
 
The MB takeover of the Egyptian government is going to just awesome!

While the parallels between Iran in 1979 and Egypt in 2011 can be overdrawn, it is foolish to pretend that they are not there. Cairo doesn’t have to literally become a Sunni version of Tehran to do terrible damage to U.S. interests and prestige in the Middle East—and to the hopes and dreams of its own people. And the Egyptians already have their own prospective Khomeini: Yussuf al-Qaradawi, the Qatar-based Muslim Brotherhood preacher who exiled himself from Egypt in 1961.

Jewel of the Nile - by Lee Smith > Tablet Magazine - A New Read on Jewish Life

This cat's awesome!

Here, for example, is Qaradawi speaking about the Holocaust to the audience of his popular Al Jazeera television show on January 30, 2009:

"Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them—even though they exaggerated this issue—he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers."

Jewel of the Nile - by Lee Smith > Tablet Magazine - A New Read on Jewish Life

Is this all that democracy and human rights we've been hearing about?
 
So we're damned for supporting him, and we're damned for eliminating him.

We are rightfully dammed for supporting him when he was a threat to his neighbors, and we were rightfully damned for eliminating him when he was not.

There I corrected your statement.

Do you prefer the Darfur approach where we just stand idly by and act like it's not happening?

No, I expect us not make matters worse by removing them from the terrorists listing and providing intelligence and chemical weapons components.
 
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