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Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

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HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

Original source: AP.

Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info - Yahoo! News

Well the solution is pretty obvious, so obvious even Sher'f Dumb**** could figure it out.

It is time for Obama to have the records released. Not too complicated now is it?

Yes He Can... Yes He Can... Yes He Can...

J'us du ette. Plug the damn hole, or is he going to hold off for some political ploy?

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Well the solution is pretty obvious, so obvious even Sher'f Dumb**** could figure it out.

It is time for Obama to have the records released. Not too complicated now is it?

Yes He Can... Yes He Can... Yes He Can...

J'us du ette. Plug the damn hole, or is he going to hold off for some political ploy?

.

Don't you get it... the problem isn't that Obama is NOT american... but rather he is TOO american. He can't release the birth certificate or it will do untold damage... like, you wouldn't be able to say 'as american as apple pie'... it would have to be changed to the new reality "as american as Obama".

I mean come on, you think that someone hiding information is doing so for nefarious reasons... well, that's a conspiracy theory.
 
Well the solution is pretty obvious, so obvious even Sher'f Dumb**** could figure it out.

It is time for Obama to have the records released. Not too complicated now is it?

Yes He Can... Yes He Can... Yes He Can...

J'us du ette. Plug the damn hole, or is he going to hold off for some political ploy?

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I would say it is a political ploy to make fair number of people look like they belong in the nut house
 
HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

The Governor could not find a real BC so he falls back on the law.
 
I would say it is a political ploy to make fair number of people look like they belong in the nut house

I've said I believe he is US born, but this ploy, the game being played is likely to make Obama look more the slim shady.

This should have been done long ago... delaying this makes no sense, except playing politics. It's a constitutional requirement that those running for president be American born. He spoke about transparency... well... let's have some.

You don't play games with this stuff. Obama should release the docs and get it over with. The only good thing to come out of it is future candidates may have to prove they are American born when they file papers to run for their party's nomination.

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Well the solution is pretty obvious, so obvious even Sher'f Dumb**** could figure it out.

It is time for Obama to have the records released. Not too complicated now is it?

Yes He Can... Yes He Can... Yes He Can...

J'us du ette. Plug the damn hole, or is he going to hold off for some political ploy?

.

If he did release it, it wouldn't convince anyone who's already a birther.
 
I've said I believe he is US born, but this ploy, the game being played is likely to make Obama look more the slim shady.

This should have been done long ago... delaying this makes no sense, except playing politics. It's a constitutional requirement that those running for president be American born. He spoke about transparency... well... let's have some.

You don't play games with this stuff. Obama should release the docs and get it over with. The only good thing to come out of it is future candidates may have to prove they are American born when they file papers to run for their party's nomination.

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Yes it is a legal requirement to be american born and I am rather certain the legal entities in the US would have ensured that Obama is american born. Unless you feel the Bush admin was in on the conspiracy
 
The Governor could not find a real BC so he falls back on the law.

Because heaven forfend he start the inquiry thinking that he's helping, only to be told by someone else in the government that what he intends to do is illegal, after which he halts out of respect for the rule of law.

I know, I know -- reality is so much more boring than empty rhetoric, ain't it?
 
It is time for Obama to have the records released. Not too complicated now is it?

It has been made plain by the behavior and arguments of many of those who continue to trumpet this issue that nothing the President does will satisfy their concerns about his citizenship.

Taking further action will only give the most ardent of his detractors more pieces of paper to accuse Hawaii's government of forging.

When you're in a lose-lose situation, you pick the loss that requires the least effort so as to preserve your energy for battles you can actually win.
 
Don't you get it... the problem isn't that Obama is NOT american... but rather he is TOO american. He can't release the birth certificate or it will do untold damage... like, you wouldn't be able to say 'as american as apple pie'... it would have to be changed to the new reality "as american as Obama".

I mean come on, you think that someone hiding information is doing so for nefarious reasons... well, that's a conspiracy theory.

No, the conspiracy theory is when you still want to see the birth certificate when you already have documented proof and a statement by the appropriate government officials that constitute proof in a court of law that Obama is a US citizen.
 
No, the conspiracy theory is when you still want to see the birth certificate when you already have documented proof and a statement by the appropriate government officials that constitute proof in a court of law that Obama is a US citizen.

I haven't involved myself too much in the specific debate, but to my understanding what was displayed was the 'short form' and there's a 'long form' that has a footprint and extra details. The point was that the short form has a greater potential of being forged then the long-form which is filled out at birth... but I view the whole issue as a distraction from larger issues.

Either, he really was born in hawaii, and he's just making himself look shady by keeping his records secret...
Or, he was not born in Hawaii, and people are using that information to black mail Obama into pushing a certain agenda...

But, if it can be shown that he is not in fact eligible, then anything he signed gets repealed...so, in a sense I kinda hope the case can be made, but I don't see how even as you describe it would be theorizing conspiracies??? I mean, it's just asking to see the long-form...
 
I would say it is a political ploy to make fair number of people look like they belong in the nut house

It's starting to look like Obama hass something to hide.

Conventional wisdom dictates that Obama should just produce his long form and put this to bed, forever.
 
It's starting to look like Obama hass something to hide.

Conventional wisdom dictates that Obama should just produce his long form and put this to bed, forever.

Ya but if you think about it, people who are convincd he's not a citizen won't be persuaded by anything he puts out. It goes beyond concern or paranoia that the President may not be a natural born citizen it also has to do with politics as well. There's no other reason why more people on the right believe he's not a citizen. I think the proof should have been provided in the hawaii newspaper which announced his birth, to take a conspiracy that far back is impossible. I can't think of any reason why the newspaper would run an announcement that a kids been born in their state if it wasn't the case.

By putting out the birth certificate he's just going to continue and feed this kind of argument, surely you can see that the first thing many birthers will say is that its a fake or that because of this current delay in its release was only to buy time to make a fake one.
 
Ya but if you think about it, people who are convincd he's not a citizen won't be persuaded by anything he puts out. It goes beyond concern or paranoia that the President may not be a natural born citizen it also has to do with politics as well. There's no other reason why more people on the right believe he's not a citizen. I think the proof should have been provided in the hawaii newspaper which announced his birth, to take a conspiracy that far back is impossible. [/b]I can't think of any reason why the newspaper would run an announcement that a kids been born in their state if it wasn't the case.[/b]

You make a good point, but you still can't get a driver's license with it.

By putting out the birth certificate he's just going to continue and feed this kind of argument, surely you can see that the first thing many birthers will say is that its a fake or that because of this current delay in its release was only to buy time to make a fake one.

Actually, by producing his BC, he'll give alotta people a great big **** burger to eat. Why pass up that political oppurtunity?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Obama isn't a citizen. In fact, I hope it isn't revealed that he isn't. It would be awesome to expose him for a fraud--which he is, BC, or no BC--but the **** storm it would cause wouldn't be worth the laugh.
 
Hey looky people, a birth certificate.

birth.jpg


Here's some more pics. FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Look, here's a print from a newspaper showing he was born.

ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg


Do you really think it's be possible to become a senator, then a president,without ever once proving that you are, in fact, an American?
 
Hey looky people, a birth certificate.

birth.jpg


Here's some more pics. FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Look, here's a print from a newspaper showing he was born.

ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg


Do you really think it's be possible to become a senator, then a president,without ever once proving that you are, in fact, an American?

It is, if no one made you produce an actual BC. Do you think that Obama used this newspaper clipping?
 
Hey looky people, a birth certificate.

birth.jpg


Here's some more pics. FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Look, here's a print from a newspaper showing he was born.

ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg


Do you really think it's be possible to become a senator, then a president,without ever once proving that you are, in fact, an American?

Another thing, trottin' out this newspaper clipping as proof that Obama is an American citizen, is just as goofy as the birfers claiming that he isn't.
 
It is, if no one made you produce an actual BC. Do you think that Obama used this newspaper clipping?

Well, the obvious answer is that he did indeed produce a birth certificate, and it satisfied whoever performs the background checks.
 
Another thing, trottin' out this newspaper clipping as proof that Obama is an American citizen, is just as goofy as the birfers claiming that he isn't.

Why? It shows he was born in Hawaii, unless it's a forgery too.
 
Well, the obvious answer is that he did indeed produce a birth certificate, and it satisfied whoever performs the background checks.

What backgorund checks? I have to produce mor documentation to have a commercial driver's license than a politicians does to run for office.
 
What backgorund checks? I have to produce mor documentation to have a commercial driver's license than a politicians does to run for office.

You don't really think a person becomes president without anyone looking into their background do you?
 
Obama has his right to privacy too. He doesn't have to disclose his birth certificate to the nation if he doesn't want to. However, what we can know is that unless the process was corrupt, whoever does the checks for presidential eligibility was obviously satisfied with what was produced. I dislike Obama as much as the next guy, but we have to face the fact that he is the legal standing president for 2 more years. The truthers hated Bush and tried to get him out by saying 9/11 was faked by Bush, when that didn't work they wanted him tried and impeached for war crimes for going into Iraq. They had to live with Bush, and we have to live with Obama until his term is up. There is no legitimate reason to impeach him.
 
Which, it could very well be. Hence the reason that it's not an official document.

The document we've seen is official. It's proof in a court of law of citizenship. Written right on it:
"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."
It has been authenticated by appropriate government officials.

There's nothing else to talk about.
 
As soon as we capitulate to the idiotic requests and needless concerns of the Truthers, then we can do the same with their equally kooky tinfoil hat brothers the Birthers. Throw in the the "we never went to the moon" crowd in there as well.
 
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