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Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

Boo Radley said:
Difference is Birthers are not criticising policy. They criticisng him breathing, being.
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just as the Bush haters who were screaming about his NG records were not criticising policy. they criticised him breathing, being.

no difference, they hated Bush for who he was, just as the birthers hate Obama for who he is.
 
Zyphlin said:
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I don't give a **** what people "tag" me,
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Yes you do. You care a lot. You make my commentary out as "birther". When clearly it is not. It's pointing out the stupidity of letting this linger like it has. Release the damned documents so the issue can DIE. Instead you attack people for asking Obama end the issue once and for all.

Why do you do this?

Cause you don't want to be tagged a "birther". You want to seem like a good reasonable guy who takes the middle non-partisan approach to issues like this.

Yes or no, simple question for you:

Would Obama releasing his Hawaiian BC via the official channels neuter the birthers?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Because even addressing it gives it legitimacy, and there's really nothing legitimate about it at all. It's partisan hackery at its finest. It's no different than 9/11 conspiracy theory people or people who shouted over and over again that Bush stole the election. It's absurd and should be given the amount of attention that it deserves...none.
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I'll bet you anything many of the libs that bash so-called birthers actually do believe that Bush stole the election.
 
spud_meister said:
I wanna answer this:

No.
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How so?

The only "legitimacy" they can point to is Obama's refusal to allow documents to be released. Release them, and they have nothing but tin foil.
 
Objective Voice said:
Then I'll ask you the same (or similar) question that was asked of Congressman Cantor on Meet the Press this weekend:

"If you believe President Obama was born in this country and is eligible to be President under the Constitution, and thus a natural-born citizen, why don't you stand against the birthers/truthers and help dispell this nonsense?"

Sounds like a simple thing to do.

Evidence in the President's favor:

- A notation in Hawaii's public health records annotating his birth (index data).
- Birth announcements in 2 local Honolulu newspapers published within 10 days of the President's birth.
- A birth record (COLB) registed with the Hawaii Dept. of Public Health 4 days after the President's birth
- A birth record (COLB) certified as a true document by officials at the Hawaii Dept. of Public Health
- Hawaii's (Republican) Governor making two public statements confirming that she has seen the President's vital birth records on file with the Hawaii Dept. of Public Health which clearly indicate he was born in Hawaii.
- Atleast two witnesses confirming they either knew the President as a child growing up in Hawaii or was aware of his birth when his mother was alive, one a doctor at the hospital where he was born, the other a patient at the same hospital who gave birth to twins the day after the President was born.

There's just too much information out there that points to his U.S. birth. Yet, the birther/truther conspiracy continues...
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You don't see any problem with having to say there's "too much information out there that points to his US birth." That makes it all circumstantial and really, only highlights the one thing that's obviously missing.
 
MrVicchio said:
How so?

The only "legitimacy" they can point to is Obama's refusal to allow documents to be released. Release them, and they have nothing but tin foil.
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That won't stop them, none of the proof so far has. Christ, I can imagine if he releases it tomorrow, they'll say he took so long so he could have a forgery made, as has been said, they're the same as the truthers, no matter the amount of evidence you shove under their nose, they won't accept it because they don't want to.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Yes it is a legal requirement to be american born and I am rather certain the legal entities in the US would have ensured that Obama is american born. Unless you feel the Bush admin was in on the conspiracy
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In what way would Bush be involved in vetting presidential candidates?
 
Boo Radley said:
No. Factually.




Not close. No. This was purely politics.



No. Bush had policies deserving of critism. Even Kerry ahd done something that warranted some reaction (it is true of people who do things). Obama is being attacked for simply being alive.
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Yeah right? :roll:
 
X Factor said:
I'll bet you anything many of the libs that bash so-called birthers actually do believe that Bush stole the election.
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It's pointless to assume that. You very well could be right, but there's nothing to base that on other than your own views of liberals.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
It's pointless to assume that. You very well could be right, but there's nothing to base that on other than your own views of liberals.
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Views aren't necessily wrong.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
It's pointless to assume that. You very well could be right, but there's nothing to base that on other than your own views of liberals.
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just as there is nothing on which to base the accusation that birthers are racist, other than some people's prejudice against right wingers.
 
American said:
Views aren't necessily wrong.
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Nor are they necessarily right. However, it wouldn't be entirely surprising that you would defend negative views against liberals.
 
OscarB63 said:
just as there is nothing on which to base the accusation that birthers are racist, other than some people's prejudice against right wingers.
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Hmm...when did I say that birthers are racist?
 
MrVicchio said:
How so?

The only "legitimacy" they can point to is Obama's refusal to allow documents to be released. Release them, and they have nothing but tin foil.
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There are actually multiple birther claims, all centering on whether Obama is a natural Born Citizen, but only one of those focuses on his birth certificate. The fact that his father was not a citizen is also part of the birther claims
 
MrVicchio said:
Would Obama releasing his Hawaiian BC via the official channels neuter the birthers?
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No.

There's plenty of evidence, and common sense, that already shows that he's a citizen born in this country. And yet this issue is still here.

By doing what you suggest, he'll silence a few people but by and large the birther's will do what every conspiracy movement does...deny, deny, deny.

So no, I don't believe it'll neuter them. I think it'll actually encourage them to continue with this kind of thing.
 
OscarB63 said:
just as there is nothing on which to base the accusation that birthers are racist, other than some people's prejudice against right wingers.
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Gotta agree here. While there are definitely individual racists who likely cling onto this idea because of their racist views, its ridiculous to suggest the entire notion is based on racism or that all those that are speaking it are doing so for racist reasons.
 
OscarB63 said:
just as the Bush haters who were screaming about his NG records were not criticising policy. they criticised him breathing, being.

no difference, they hated Bush for who he was, just as the birthers hate Obama for who he is.
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They were criticisng what he had done. An actual act. So, yes, there is a real difference.
 
Boo Radley said:
Right. That is correct. The birther stuff is not related to any action whatsoever. Glad you agree. :coffeepap
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give it up already. so freaking what? the bulk of the attacks against Bush were not related to any action either. what is your vested interest? why is so important for you to paint the birthers as racists?
 
Boo Radley said:
They were criticisng what he had done. An actual act. So, yes, there is a real difference.
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a difference that makes no difference, isn't really a difference. they were attacking his person for political purposes
 
OscarB63 said:
give it up already. so freaking what? the bulk of the attacks against Bush were not related to any action either. what is your vested interest? why is so important for you to paint the birthers as racists?
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I'd say the birther movement has more to do with hyper partisan views than racism.
 
OscarB63 said:
a difference that makes no difference, isn't really a difference. they were attacking his person for political purposes
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Again, what action on Obama's part contributed to this? Bush did disappear from the NG. There were legitimate questions there. Political or not. Show me the legitimate question and act on Obama's part.
 
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