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Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

Though you may not agree, the mere feeling is justified.

What makes your last sentence plausible?

Logic does. More than enough evidence has been presented. It is unreasonable to need more.
 
Logic does. More than enough evidence has been presented. It is unreasonable to need more.

What is logic, to you?

To live by facts and logic alone, is unwise. It improves susceptibility to deceit.
 
What is logic, to you?

To live by facts and logic alone, is unwise. It improves susceptibility to deceit.

Alone? Well, it's a pretty good start to have logic and facts behind you. You can be just as manipulated, if not more so, on emotion alone. The evidence has been overwhelming. Not sure what feeling you hold that outweighs the logic and facts.


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Irrelevant. Unless you have anything else to discuss I'm asking you, politely, to stop trolling this thread. Or do you have any evidence to support the claim that this is not a valid certificate of live birth proving that Obama is indeed a US Citizen?


So it is irrelevant that is not the legal BC ? You are just mad because Obama can not produce a legal BC
 
So it is irrelevant that is not the legal BC ? You are just mad because Obama can not produce a legal BC

Actually, I'd say birthers are mad that he isn't producing what they consider the be a "valid" BC. Obviously you haven't been paying attention at who has been squawking the loudest about this.
 
Birthers give way to much credit to Obama.

Once again, I think his opponents often give him superhuman powers by their critisism.

They're honestly suggesting, that Obama, at age 0, conspired with his parents to lie about their son being born in America (even though his father was kenyan born and still had the oppertunity to go to school in America) so that he could become president of the United States later in life, to start a socialist revolution and tax everyone to death and make them all ride segways?

Jesus, you'd think if this guy could see that far into the future he woulda just picked the lottery numbers. Hey maybe that's how he paid for college?
 
Alone? Well, it's a pretty good start to have logic and facts behind you. You can be just as manipulated, if not more so, on emotion alone. The evidence has been overwhelming. Not sure what feeling you hold that outweighs the logic and facts.


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The first sentence is correct. What I stated is that relying primarily on facts and evidence alone is unwise.

The second statement is correct.

The third statement is correct to those who choose to believe it.

In response to the fourth statement, there are times in life when things do happen, but cannot be proved. As an example, let us say a murderer who is guilty, but cannot be proved so; that premise is reasonable to some of those who choose not to believe the third statement.
 
Why can't you find the proof that he was born somewhere else?

Oh, well that's right here.

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But is it forged? If not the Governor could produce it

There's no evidence of anything fordged. None. The fordged Kenyen documents were easy to prove false. You guys are just pulling at straws. Nothing more.
 
The first sentence is correct. What I stated is that relying primarily on facts and evidence alone is unwise.

The second statement is correct.

The third statement is correct to those who choose to believe it.

In response to the fourth statement, there are times in life when things do happen, but cannot be proved. As an example, let us say a murderer who is guilty, but cannot be proved so; that premise is reasonable to some of those who choose not to believe the third statement.

Even in your example, there would be cause to feel that way if he was actually the murderer, but you could be wrong. And secondly, we wouldn't prosecute, or at least shouldn't, without the evidence. Feeling would not be enough. Nor should it be.
 
This is the problem I have with birthers.

Short of producing his long form birth certificate, ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT HAS COME OUT SO FAR points to Obama having been born in Hawaii during the 1960s.
Meanwhile, birthers have not provided one iota of evidence to suggest that he was born somewhere else. It has already been shown beyond any REASONABLE doubt that Obama was born when and where he said he was born. The burden of proof is on YOU to show us that he wasn't. Otherwise we can all resort to guessing and conjecture and conspiracy theorizing for the rest of our lives.
 
Why can't Obama be truthful and produce the documents to stop this issue?

He's produced all that is required. All anyone is required to produce. Why ask more of him than others?
 
There's no evidence of anything fordged. None. The fordged Kenyen documents were easy to prove false. You guys are just pulling at straws. Nothing more.

No we are waiting for real proof. Even the Governor of the state can not find it. That tells me there is a problem with Obama's paper work
 
Why can't Obama be truthful and produce the documents to stop this issue?

To say Obama must be truthful, you must first prove he has attempted to be untruthful...

We are asked to prove positives, not negatives.

You must prove he was born elsewhere and lied about it... and please tell me the motive? Do you honestly think they thought he'd be president?

Your logic is not sound.
 
Why can't Obama be truthful and produce the documents to stop this issue?

Why can't you take a look at reality and realize that he has already provided all the evidence that is needed for any reasonable person to believe?
 
No we are waiting for real proof. Even the Governor of the state can not find it. That tells me there is a problem with Obama's paper work

See above.

No, you're asking for more from him than you've asked from anyone else, and for reasons that escape me. All that is reqyuired has been provided. You're grasping at straws.
 
He's produced all that is required. All anyone is required to produce. Why ask more of him than others?

So you are saying he has more but refuses to produce it?

If the proof is there why can't the Governor find it?
 
Why can't you find the proof that he was born somewhere else?

many Kenyans don't have birth certificates. There is a kid that plays on my son's U-16 soccer team that is from kenya. if you saw the kid you would swear he was 18-19 years old. he has no birth certificate. they just guessed at how old he was when he started playing back when they were 10-11. They asked his mother when he was born and she said, "In the spring, 10 maybe 11 seasons ago"
 
Why can't Obama be truthful and produce the documents to stop this issue?

Why should he appease and give credence to idiots like birthers.
 
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