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Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

Oh sure...NOW the left wants to wait before casting aspersions.... ;)

Isnt that what this whole debate is ABOUT??? If that hadnt already happened we wouldnt be having this and so many other discussions.

I think a defense attorney can play eeny meeny on this...pick from either the "evil republican rhetoric made me do it" or the "its not his fault because he is insane" defense. Both have been thrown about since day one.

I never made any claims, just defending the sheriffs right to the same free speech that your favorite pundits get paid millions for.......
 
help me out here, are liberals the partisan fools, and conservatives the mindless sheep, or vice versa?:2razz:

You two keep talking about it. Together. You will figure it out.
 
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You really gotta stop...you are too much...

YOU and yur'n have been making the same BASELESS claim since day one...and now you think you have somehow scored points because I have stated we have no evidence of said influence? You (and your good buddy Bill)...apparently YOU TWO have this mythical evidence that he WAS influenced by Palin, Beck at al??? Of COURSE not.

Geez-us...one can literally HEAR the circus music when you read your words...

Perhaps you could quote me on those things I was supposed to have said.

And I am still waiting for YOU to reproduce the exact words of Sheriff Dupnik that merits his recall from office after decades of meritorious service to the people of that county.
 
I never made any claims, just defending the sheriffs right to the same free speech that your favorite pundits get paid millions for.......

My favorite pundits? Bill...if you knew how stupid what you just wrote was you would be embarassed. The ONLY pundits I listen to are sports radio. I jump right out there and STATE Fox News is biased. The difference between ANY pundits and the sheriff is two-fold. He is an elected official...a representative of law enforcement, and he used a tragic shooting to launch baseless political attacks.
 
Perhaps you could quote me on those things I was supposed to have said.

And I am still waiting for YOU to reproduce the exact words of Sheriff Dupnik that merits his recall from office after decades of meritorious service to the people of that county.

Ive answered your question. I wont go so far as to say you are a smart man, but I DO know you know how to use google. So if you really care, type in the good sheriffs name and search videos. Pretty much all of them.
 
Ive answered your question. I wont go so far as to say you are a smart man, but I DO know you know how to use google. So if you really care, type in the good sheriffs name and search videos. Pretty much all of them.

YOU are the one claiming that he said things that should get him recalled. Not me.
YOU are the one who needs to present his statements that so offended YOU that YOU now advocate recalling him from office. Not I.
This is YOUR cause celebre. Not mine.
This is YOUR issue. Not mine.
This is YOUR obsession. Not mine.
It is up to YOU to show what he said that so upsets you and merits countermanding three decades of meritorious public service to his county and the people of it. Not me.
 
My favorite pundits? Bill...if you knew how stupid what you just wrote was you would be embarassed. The ONLY pundits I listen to are sports radio. I jump right out there and STATE Fox News is biased. The difference between ANY pundits and the sheriff is two-fold. He is an elected official...a representative of law enforcement, and he used a tragic shooting to launch baseless political attacks.

not stupid, ignorant perhaps....ignorance being the lack of knowledge concerning who you listen to. The way you defend them, I assumed you listen to them, sorry...
How is what the sheriff did a political attack? Is he up for election? I think he said what is on a lot of people's minds, that the heated rhetoric is too much. If pundits want to smear politicians with the truth, I am all for it. But when you start expanding past truth, the only reputation smeared is their own. That is why I despise pundits, that can't help themselves, they can't stick with just the facts, ma'am.....
and then there are the many, many listeners who so willingly suspend disbelief because it is what they WANT to hear....
 
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RPT-Arizona suspect had made death threats-sheriff | Reuters

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima County, where the shooting happened, told reporters the suspect had a troubled past. "All I can tell you is that this person may have a mental issue," Dupnik said.
Dupnik said there had been earlier contact between Loughner and law enforcement after he had made death threats, although they had not been against Giffords. He said the authorities believe he may not have been working alone.

If he knew all this, why did he put the blame on the media??
 
In the end the only opinion that will matter are the people of Pima county. If enough find they are tired of the sheriff, the recall will go through. If not its just all talk. Living in Az, but not Pima county, I did find his commont that AZ has become a "a mecca for prejudice and bigotry.". He has a right to say it on his own time. I think it is out of line to say in as an elected official without proof.
 
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You miss the point (no...you mindlessly ignore the point). He WAS NOT influenced by ANYONE...left or right. THIS PERSON...THIS CASE...there is ZERO indication that he was motivated by right wing vitriol. NONE.
And you know this with such positive sureness because ..... because of what exactly?

There is no proof these pedestrians aren't dead because they were listening to the First Lady. Pretty silly huh? We are no more likely to find out why they were walking than we are to find out why a schitzophrenic decided to kill people. But I guess we could go on saying there is no proof they weren't listening to Michelle Obama and that's why they were hit by cars.



Maryland road safety head, Post's Halsey blame pedestrians and even Michelle Obama for fatalities - Greater Greater Washington

GHSA gave the Examiner a statement actually claiming that Michelle Obama's


initiatives to get more people outside walking and exercising could be a cause of the deaths. Not only is that ridiculous, it's misleading: even if more people walking has led to an increase, more people walking will lead to safer conditions generally.
 
Barb - whatever may be your favorite adult beverage - I think it might help.;)
 
Barb - whatever may be your favorite adult beverage - I think it might help.;)
Like that one?

Here's another one that makes as much sense as blaming the Tuscon Massacre on the right.

Michelle Obama has been pushing a healthy diet for all Americans and healthy meals in schools. She even grew her own organic vegetables. She's talked about raw carrots being a healthy snack and she loves them. I wonder if this teacher was an admirer of Michelle's and that's why she had a bag of carrots in the classroom?
This is very sad, so no need to click on the link. However, maybe we should hold off proclaiming the First Lady innocent until we have the facts.

Toddler chokes to death on carrot | 7online.com
 
I never made any claims, just defending the sheriffs right to the same free speech that your favorite pundits get paid millions for.......

How are ya'll going to feel, when the sheriff is called by the defense, to testify that Loughner was pushed over the edge by political speech and that he didn't act based on his emotions? What if Loughner is sentenced to a funny farm, with weekends off?

Is that what we would call, "justice", in this case?
 
Like that one?

Here's another one that makes as much sense as blaming the Tuscon Massacre on the right.

Michelle Obama has been pushing a healthy diet for all Americans and healthy meals in schools. She even grew her own organic vegetables. She's talked about raw carrots being a healthy snack and she loves them. I wonder if this teacher was an admirer of Michelle's and that's why she had a bag of carrots in the classroom?
This is very sad, so no need to click on the link. However, maybe we should hold off proclaiming the First Lady innocent until we have the facts.

Toddler chokes to death on carrot | 7online.com

Another one?!?!?! Now it is I who needs the adult beverage.
 
How are ya'll going to feel, when the sheriff is called by the defense, to testify that Loughner was pushed over the edge by political speech and that he didn't act based on his emotions? What if Loughner is sentenced to a funny farm, with weekends off?

Is that what we would call, "justice", in this case?

And you know this because you have travelled into the future and witnessed this? And what if he does claim he was pushed over the edge by right wing vitriol? Would that meet the standards of insanity in the state of Arizona?
 
If he knew all this, why did he put the blame on the media??

He's a liberal democrat. Need I say more?
Do they ever take blame for anything?
He was using smoke and mirrors. Probably hoping against hope it turned out to be a right-winger.
 
He's a liberal democrat. Need I say more?
Do they ever take blame for anything?
He was using smoke and mirrors. Probably hoping against hope it turned out to be a right-winger.

I have asked others and failed in getting a response... so Barb I ask you. What exactly did Sheriff Dupnik say that merits his recall from office after thirty years of meritorious service to the people of that county?
 
I have asked others and failed in getting a response... so Barb I ask you. What exactly did Sheriff Dupnik say that merits his recall from office after thirty years of meritorious service to the people of that county?

You know when a murder happens and a Sheriff comes out and speaks to reporters?
They usually come out, tell them whatever few facts they know, such as a person has been found dead and when they have more details they will let the press know.

That's not even close to what Dupnik did. He was very unprofessional and instead of facts, he speculated about what could have caused it. That set the whole country off. No one even had time to grieve before the attack dogs were released on Palin, Beck, the tea party, talk radio, and anyone on the right.
The man needs to be canned and the sooner the better.
 
And you know this because you have travelled into the future and witnessed this? And what if he does claim he was pushed over the edge by right wing vitriol? Would that meet the standards of insanity in the state of Arizona?

It just might and he might walk on account of it. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen.

Not to mention, it could open the door for another fruitcake to shoot a congress critter and claim the same thing.
 
You know when a murder happens and a Sheriff comes out and speaks to reporters?
They usually come out, tell them whatever few facts they know, such as a person has been found dead and when they have more details they will let the press know.

That's not even close to what Dupnik did. He was very unprofessional and instead of facts, he speculated about what could have caused it. That set the whole country off. No one even had time to grieve before the attack dogs were released on Palin, Beck, the tea party, talk radio, and anyone on the right.
The man needs to be canned and the sooner the better.

Again Barb, I ask you , what exactly did the Sheriff say that merits his ouster from a position that the voters have entrusted to him for thirty years? What exact words did he utter that so anger you that would cause you to support this recall?
 
And you know this because you have travelled into the future and witnessed this? And what if he does claim he was pushed over the edge by right wing vitriol? Would that meet the standards of insanity in the state of Arizona?

What if that teacher comes out and says she had a bag of carrots in the classroom because she listens to Michelle Obama? Will that be the First Lady's fault? Does Michelle Obama have the blood of a 2yr olds on her hands?
 
It just might and he might walk on account of it. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen.

Not to mention, it could open the door for another fruitcake to shoot a congress critter and claim the same thing.

perhaps you should read this as Arizona has an extremely tight and restrictive law on these matters that has been upheld by the Supreme Court of the USA

Clark v. Arizona
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Clark v. Arizona

Supreme Court of the United States
Argued April 19, 2006
Decided June 29, 2006
Full case name Eric Michael Clark v. State of Arizona
Docket nos. 05-5966
Citations 548 U.S. 735 (more)
126 S.Ct. 2709; 2006 U.S. LEXIS 5184; 2006 WL 1764372
Prior history Defendant convicted, Coconino County Superior Court, Sept. 3, 2003; affirmed, Ariz. Ct. App., Jan. 25, 2005; review denied, Ariz., May 25, 2005; cert. granted, 126 S. Ct. 797 (2005)
Holding
Due process does not prohibit Arizona's use of an insanity test stated solely in terms of the capacity to tell whether an act charged as a crime was right or wrong. The state could also constitutionally limit a defendant's evidence of mental defect to only what is relevant to that insanity test, even when mens rea is an element of the charged crime. Arizona Court of Appeals affirmed.
Court membership
Chief Justice
John G. Roberts
Associate Justices
John P. Stevens · Antonin Scalia
Anthony Kennedy · David Souter
Clarence Thomas · Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Stephen Breyer · Samuel Alito
Case opinions
Majority Souter, joined by Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito; Breyer except parts III-B, III-C, and ultimate disposition
Concur/dissent Breyer
Dissent Kennedy, joined by Stevens, Ginsburg
Laws applied
U.S. Const. amend. XIV; Ariz. Rev. Stat. § 13-502(A)
Clark v. Arizona, 548 U.S. 735 (2006), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States, in which the Court upheld the constitutionality of the insanity defense used by the State of Arizona. The ruling affirmed the murder conviction of a man with paranoid schizophrenia, for the killing of a police officer. The man had argued that his inability to understand the nature of his acts at the time they were committed should be a sufficient basis for showing he lacked the requisite mental state required as an element of the charged crime. The Court upheld Arizona's restriction of admissible mental health evidence only to the issue of insanity. Arizona does not allow mental health evidence to show that the defendant did not possess the required mental intent level necessary to satisfy an element of the crime. The evidence is only admissible if used to show that the defendant was insane at the time of the crime's commission. In this case, the defendant knew right from wrong so he could not qualify under Arizona's insanity defense.
 
perhaps you should read this as Arizona has an extremely tight and restrictive law on these matters that has been upheld by the Supreme Court of the USA

Clark v. Arizona
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok. What if Loughner's attorney convinces the jury--you know what a jury is, right?--that Loughner didn't act on his own volition and they let him walk? Wouldn't be the first time a killer got off scot free.
 
Ok. What if Loughner's attorney convinces the jury--you know what a jury is, right?--that Loughner didn't act on his own volition and they let him walk? Wouldn't be the first time a killer got off scot free.

duh... gosh jee wilikers... juby??? sorry ... jury???? landsakesallmighttojesus... you go round throwing out these big words and spect me to understnad em?

Did you read the law in Arizona?
Did you understand it?
Did you even bother to think how it may apply in this case?
 
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He's a liberal democrat. Need I say more?
Do they ever take blame for anything?
He was using smoke and mirrors. Probably hoping against hope it turned out to be a right-winger.

I do believe that this thing about blaming the RIGHT is really going to hurt Obama in 2012.

The reason that the Left is mad about everything is because Obama's policies haven't worked and they lost Congress.

They are as mad as hornets. AND... Obama is little by little moving to the center. Poor orphans.!!! :)
 
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